patch 2.3 hemo changesFollow

ok. so the old hemo debuff gave an extra 10 damage per swing on the monster. great, how many swings can you get per second. for me, i use a 2.6mh and a 1.5oh. we also need to count our instant strikes, but for our spec we will only be using hemo, snd and rupture. and we have relentless strikes so that snd and rupture have a net energy loss of 0 energy using a rotation mixing snd and rupture so that snd is always up. what would our weapon speeds be with snd always up--our 2.6 speed weapon goes to 2 (2.6/(1+.3)) and our 1.5 speed weapon goes to 1.15 (1/(1+.3)). great, for hemo we can get one off every 3.5sec during the middle of a fight. i'm not counting other haste procs, adrenaline rush ******** up the amount of hemos you can throw in, etc...this is just a basic estimation. it will be easy for you to amend this based on your spec.

1hit/2sec + 1hit/1.15sc + 1hit/3.5sec + (1hit/1.15)*(.2)= 1.829hits/second

old hemo:
each of those hits deals 10 damage, so dps due to hemo is 18.29
total debuff damage = 10*30charges = 300 damage
new hemo:
each hit deals 36 damage, so dps due to hemo is 65.85
total debuff damage = 36*10charges = 360 damage

new hemo therefore does an extra 47.56dps JUST FOR YOU. there are less charges on the new hemo, but you should be able to come close to keeping hemo up so that your raid benefits as well (it's no problem keeping it up for yourself)--let's quantify how much damage hemo will add in a raid setting. depending on your raid composition, it should be easy to wipe all the charges in close to 1second, that's an extra 300dps added to the raid thanks to your debuff (360-60: you need to subtract the bonus you gain so that you don't double count the debuff dps).

simply download the rogue spreadsheet and put your stuff in for how it is now. set it up for your spec now. note the dps. now change it to my spec below, click so that the hemo debuff isn't added. add your 60dps to it. see if it is more than your old spec's dps, and note that this one has more pvp flexibility and utility especially now that the blind reagent is gone.

spec is this
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?0053201000000000000003023050020050150000000005022330002301210000000


furthermore, note that damage against enemies will be increased when their hp<35%. when the official word is released, right now on ptr it's just for specials, in patch notes however it is all damage. i will calculate percent dps increase. from hemo alone, though, it appears that dps is higher than what your dps spec is--mine is combat swords, and not ill placed talents either. my dps jumps like 3-4 dps and i get more utility--not counting the dps the raid gets. plus when you count the bonus from dirty deeds, my damage will skyrocket above combat. gg, and hello sub.

Edited, Oct 26th 2007 2:26pm by lessonsinlogic

Quick question, does anyone know if the new hemo damage applies to bleed effects like rupture and garrote?

Edited, Oct 26th 2007 6:31pm by HighwayHigh

ya don't even think about going daggers lol, hemo is not a normalized attack. and depending on your gear the dps increase or decrease (doubtful imo b/c you probably have more ap than me and adding ap increases the damage hemo does unlike sinister strike) will be different. but the basic formula for my math is correct. and no, it has to be an actual strike, not a bleed tick in order to proc the debuff.

well actually, you are very very wrong. let me post the information as i know it and exactly as it appears on wow wiki



hemo benefits from extra ap--sinister strike to my understanding does not directly. no matter what wowwiki says about the modifiers, i know that with a high enough ap hemo will outstrip sinister strike. the only way that is possible is by including ap in the model for hemo at least to a greater extent than in sinister strike's model.

i meant as compared to sinister strike, but my opinion holds. different levels of ap affect the comparative damage of each.

They both gain damage directly based off AP. The difference is that Sinister Strike (and Backstab, and most instant attacks - Multishot, Mortal Strike, etc) is based on a normalized 'speed', so when you Sinister Strike with anything other than a dagger the game assumes that the weapon speed is 2.4, rather than whatever it actually is. This is a change that occurred a long, long time ago to prevent some odd situations, like where a 2.7 or 2.8 speed blue (or green) would outdamage a 2.6 speed epic because the extra speed gave a huge damage increase when you factored in all the instant attacks.

Assuming an extremely slow mainhand (2.8 speed, say - usually a speed you only see on Maces, which has a whole other set of problems) and compared to a completely unimproved Sinister Strike (i.e. no Aggression)...

Sinister Strike hits for 98 + 2.4 * X / 14
Hemo hits for 2.8 * X / 14
98 + 2.4 * X / 14 = 2.8 * x / 14
1372 = .4 * X
3430 = X

So, even before factoring in Aggression you'd need ~3.5k AP for Hemo to outdamage SS on a single-attack basis. This is ignoring the debuff (extremely significant with the change) or the different Energy costs, but... don't expect a single attack on Hemo to ever outdamage talented Sinister Strike.

Just for kicks.

Sinister Stirke hits for ((98 + 2.4 * X / 14) * 1.06) / 40
Hemo hits for (2.8 * X / 14) / 35
((98 + 2.4 * X / 14) * 1.06) / 40 = (2.8 * X / 14) / 35
35 * 1.06 * (98 + 2.4 * X / 14) = 40 (2.8 * X / 14)
37.1 * (98 + 2.4 * X / 14) = 40 * (2.8 * X / 14)
3653.8 + 89.04 * X / 14 = 112 * X / 14
3653.8 = 22.96 * X / 14
51153.2 = 22.96 * X
2227.9 = X

2228 AP is the point at which Hemo does more DPE than Sinister Strike, which is
high but not exactly unreasonable. Throw in the debuff and CP generation and it becomes positively one-sided