My 2 cents worth.
1. Agree to disagree.
2. Perhaps we can update the sticky so it flows better. Would that help do you think ? I'm willing to pitch in and help.
3. In response to Katchii's first post, I wish I had found things blatantly obvious, but I think I made lots of mistakes with my first character. Coming here was the best thing to happen. I already had a lvl 70 character. Since then I've learned quite a bit and I thank all the folks for their info.
On a side note I have noticed at times that asking for help in WoW will get you flamed as well. So I guess it's either a win-win or lose-lose. For me peronally I try to do my research first, but should I ask a "stupid" question, just help me then laugh or vise-versa.
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Firstly, I wish you Americans would stop using the word asshat. It's a horrible word.
Secondly, I agree with Aurelius, although perhaps not the way he goes about his replies. From my watching of this forum, there are certain people who need a good slap to the head in order to take them off their oh so superior pedestals. I believe one thread a guy got flamed for asking a question because his english wasn't perfect. Low and behold, english was his second language. Yet, it is okey for these so-called superiors to insult him?
It's called assuming and it makes an *** out of you and me.
What I suggest is you learn to avoid the threads you do not like. Unfortunately, not all of us have English as our first language nor are we all able to spell. Dyslexic (sp?) is a common occurrence now-a-days, even amongst the clever.
People such as North and Caldone have a habit of using the internet as a way to preach the crap they know they would not preach in person. Have a little respect for people and do not be as shallow to judge people or insult people or be rude to people based on the questions they ask or the manner in which they ask.
Secondly, I agree with Aurelius, although perhaps not the way he goes about his replies. From my watching of this forum, there are certain people who need a good slap to the head in order to take them off their oh so superior pedestals. I believe one thread a guy got flamed for asking a question because his english wasn't perfect. Low and behold, english was his second language. Yet, it is okey for these so-called superiors to insult him?
It's called assuming and it makes an *** out of you and me.
What I suggest is you learn to avoid the threads you do not like. Unfortunately, not all of us have English as our first language nor are we all able to spell. Dyslexic (sp?) is a common occurrence now-a-days, even amongst the clever.
People such as North and Caldone have a habit of using the internet as a way to preach the crap they know they would not preach in person. Have a little respect for people and do not be as shallow to judge people or insult people or be rude to people based on the questions they ask or the manner in which they ask.
BugzyUK wrote:
Firstly, I wish you Americans would stop using the word asshat. It's a horrible word.....
....It's called assuming and it makes an *** out of you and me....
....It's called assuming and it makes an *** out of you and me....
I despise people who say 'you Americans'.
I actually like the word asshat. Also: Git, ******* and a couple others.
Also, it makes an *** out of you and some guy named ming. Sorry Ming.
Edited, Oct 31st 2007 5:35pm by Ebonspine
BugzyUK wrote:
Firstly...blah, blah, blah.
Your first post on the forum is to preach to people how they should act and behave. Interesting. I'm all for polite conversation and occasionally get on the high horse when the BS rubs me the wrong way (mostly in a sarcastic way pointing out the irony--which yours is dripping with--as opposed to cursing someone out). But, I've been posting here for a while and I consider my posts to be of substantive nature, for the most part. I try to be helpful and ask/answer questions in a civilized manner, so I consider that I apply my own standard to myself.
So, no offense, but until you've posted a bit and can be considered someone of good reputation around here (and no I don't mean kharma), then your preaching comes across as really pretty random. Or, do you make a habit of tracking etiquette on various forums and just post to chide people?
You're kind of like a random teacher walking past a group of unknown students telling them to sit up straight. As soon as the teacher passes, the kids ask, "Who the hell was that?"
Edited, Oct 31st 2007 4:05pm by azwing
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So you're saying that me not posting on a forum means I have no right to say what I feel? What if I've read the forums longer than you have? Is my opinion still not accepted? Like I even give a damn what you think buddy - so no offense taken :)
You people have a habit of using the word preaching as a way to justify your arguments, when the irony is you're using your 'YOU MUST POST THIS WAY OR WE WON'T ANSWER YOUR POST PROPERLY' idea in the first place. We are simply responding to this and so I'll think you find it's no way like preaching.
The rest of your post was just added decorations so I'll just ignore that all :)
You people have a habit of using the word preaching as a way to justify your arguments, when the irony is you're using your 'YOU MUST POST THIS WAY OR WE WON'T ANSWER YOUR POST PROPERLY' idea in the first place. We are simply responding to this and so I'll think you find it's no way like preaching.
The rest of your post was just added decorations so I'll just ignore that all :)
Every succesful establishment in the world has basic rules and regulations that people need to follow so that everyone in the organization can get the most benefit from it. I don't see how doing that here should be any different.
BugzyUK wrote:
So you're saying that me not posting on a forum means I have no right to say what I feel? What if I've read the forums longer than you have? Is my opinion still not accepted? Like I even give a damn what you think buddy - so no offense taken :)
Not what I said at all. You're free to say what you want. But, walking into a discussion and posting like a schoolmarm when nobody knows who you are comes across as very self-righteous. I take exception to someone doing that.
So, you've been reading the forums forever, but haven't posted until now. Sounds like you're just leaching off the community, without contributing. Again, preaching about etiquette here without any history with the community is BS.
Clearly you do give a damn what I said or you wouldn't have taken the time to reply and refer to me as "buddy" which clearly isn't meant in a friendly tone.
BugzyUK wrote:
You people have a habit of using the word preaching as a way to justify your arguments, when the irony is you're using your 'YOU MUST POST THIS WAY OR WE WON'T ANSWER YOUR POST PROPERLY' idea in the first place. We are simply responding to this and so I'll think you find it's no way like preaching.
The rest of your post was just added decorations so I'll just ignore that all :)
The rest of your post was just added decorations so I'll just ignore that all :)
"You people"...that's great. If you're lumping me with a certain group of short-fuse regulars, then you clearly have not been reading this forum for very long. I'm not a prolific poster, but I defy you to find a post of mine where I have sworn at someone or anything else along those lines. I have never said anyone should post in any certain way. I frequently answer even the most basic questions that a quick search would have answered and do so without being rude. So, think twice before you lump me with anyone and label me as part of the "you people" conspiracy.
In short, I don't really disagree with what you said at all. I just don't care for a first-time poster (even if you have been lurking here for a long time) getting on the high horse and trying to tell others how they should behave.
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I was never aware that being a first time poster meant I am on a high horse. Interesting logic indeed. I think you'll find it's called putting your point of view across and in no way have I came across as on a high horse. I simply have a strong stance on the persecution of others (if anything thats being ON the same level as them.
If you agree with it why argue against it? Aurelius deserves more support for his words as they are true beyond belief. I suspect my second post got rated down and deleted because the majority didn't like the truth being said. It's fine by me ofcourse as I'll soon go back to the spectating role in the forum, as not doing so will lead to more arguments in threads when one of the 'elite' of the forum decide to insult another new poster ignorantly.
Oh and you people was more of a colloquial mis phrase on my part. I didn't mean to lumber you with the bone-headed amongst us and I apologize if that was the impression given out.
If anything though, those who are on the high-horses are most certainly the elite forum-mites who persecute others based on the way they post or the questions they post. Aurelius simply tried to take them off that high-horse and put them level with everyone else. For doing that - people said he was on a high-horse himself.
It's pure and utter irony and considering we have some very intelligent people who frequent this forum, I honestly found it shocking how so many fought against Aurelius.
If you agree with it why argue against it? Aurelius deserves more support for his words as they are true beyond belief. I suspect my second post got rated down and deleted because the majority didn't like the truth being said. It's fine by me ofcourse as I'll soon go back to the spectating role in the forum, as not doing so will lead to more arguments in threads when one of the 'elite' of the forum decide to insult another new poster ignorantly.
Oh and you people was more of a colloquial mis phrase on my part. I didn't mean to lumber you with the bone-headed amongst us and I apologize if that was the impression given out.
If anything though, those who are on the high-horses are most certainly the elite forum-mites who persecute others based on the way they post or the questions they post. Aurelius simply tried to take them off that high-horse and put them level with everyone else. For doing that - people said he was on a high-horse himself.
It's pure and utter irony and considering we have some very intelligent people who frequent this forum, I honestly found it shocking how so many fought against Aurelius.
Anyone else curious about this whole UK thing we got going here? It's funny ReccyUK gets sub-default and here pops up this.... asshat. Interesting isn't it?
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Anyone else curious about this whole UK thing we got going here? It's funny ReccyUK gets sub-default and here pops up this.... asshat. Interesting isn't it?
Lol, I was wondering if there was a coorelation myself, I don't really care, I just keep sub-defaulting all the stupid ****.
That's why I like you. You make sense Caldone.
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That's why I like you. You make sense Caldone.
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Lol you better like me, everybody else does! Just jump on the Bandwagon!
Oh wait, maybe that would be falling off the bandwagon... YAY your unique!
Waits for somebodies smart-*** remark
So...let me get this straight...people are supposed to do their reading before posting stuff...and this guy gets flamed for "leaching off the community" for just reading and not posting more...how the hell does that make sense?
I read all the class forums consistently, even when I don't have chars higher than level 20 of that class, just because I like knowing what other classes bring to the table. I don't post, because I have nothing to contribute to the conversation...I just like knowing more about the class. Does that make me a leech?
I'll flame noobs that come into the forums using leet-speak to try and look "cool", and ones that ask questions that are answered in the first few posts of threads currently on the first page, or in the first post of the sticky. But there are questions buried deep in the following pages...and I don't expect people to read that far when it doesn't look like there's an answer in there.
And the search box? Unless I'm mistaken, only premium members can search the forum. So now newbies need to pay for their answers? I completely understand getting tired of the same questions getting asked over and over again...I get sick of it too...but if the question hadn't been asked in a while, and the thread isn't on the first page or two, how would they know it's been asked?
I just don't think it's fair to expect someone new to WoW and new to Alla to search through pages and pages and pages of threads when they have a specific question that they can't find the answer to soon. Especially when they can make a thread and ask a simple question with a simple (to those of us more experienced) answer that really doesn't take a lot of time out of the regulars.
If they tried to do their research, and don't expect people to do everything for them, I don't think answering them is such a horrible hardship. If you don't feel like answering a question, walk away.
Because honestly...doesn't taking the time to flame someone take a tad longer than answering a simple question? :P
I read all the class forums consistently, even when I don't have chars higher than level 20 of that class, just because I like knowing what other classes bring to the table. I don't post, because I have nothing to contribute to the conversation...I just like knowing more about the class. Does that make me a leech?
I'll flame noobs that come into the forums using leet-speak to try and look "cool", and ones that ask questions that are answered in the first few posts of threads currently on the first page, or in the first post of the sticky. But there are questions buried deep in the following pages...and I don't expect people to read that far when it doesn't look like there's an answer in there.
And the search box? Unless I'm mistaken, only premium members can search the forum. So now newbies need to pay for their answers? I completely understand getting tired of the same questions getting asked over and over again...I get sick of it too...but if the question hadn't been asked in a while, and the thread isn't on the first page or two, how would they know it's been asked?
I just don't think it's fair to expect someone new to WoW and new to Alla to search through pages and pages and pages of threads when they have a specific question that they can't find the answer to soon. Especially when they can make a thread and ask a simple question with a simple (to those of us more experienced) answer that really doesn't take a lot of time out of the regulars.
If they tried to do their research, and don't expect people to do everything for them, I don't think answering them is such a horrible hardship. If you don't feel like answering a question, walk away.
Because honestly...doesn't taking the time to flame someone take a tad longer than answering a simple question? :P
The original intent of this post, was in no way meant to flame, persecute, belittle or otherwise degrad anyone. I wrote this as more of a way of saying "You'll learn more by doing than you will by asking," aka experience or in cases where the person has experienced a lot, wisdom.
It was also to try and force people into looking into the basics before going to a forum. The main WoW website has loads of information for the people new to a job and need general information, which is the vast majority of the posts we dont' like to see around here.
Two more things. Aurelius has a good point and I do not disagree with it, I disagreed with how he went about saying it. He spoke to the posters here he didn't like in a way that was both offensive and demeaning and added his views into those posts in an overzealous way that didn't directly address the problem he was trying to solve, but rather forced (as much as one can) his opinions and convictions upon his everyone here as if he were superior/ perfect. Along that same line, however, those who disagreed with him shot back at him in such a way that made US seem superior. In an argument about how people should and shouldn't act, everyone is going to look like a hypocrite because it's impossible to say "You can't tell people how they should or shouldn't act" without telling someone how the should or shouldn't act and violating the very principal you're trying to convey. It's like telling someone to watch their language by saying "Watch your fcuking mouth."
And last, new posters do have rights to say what they want, the same way everyone else does, but that doesn't mean we have to take him seriously or give what he says credit. Imagine yourself on a bus, in a classroom or anywhere in the world where you are surrounded by strangers AND friends/ family/ people you know. A stranger comes up to you and tells you that you're posture is wrong, your clotehs are out of style and your girlfriend is ugly.... how seriously would you take him? You'd more than likely just go on your daily life as if nothing happened except for the fact that in your mind and with your friends you'd say "who the hell was that?" Now imagine your best friend/ someone whos opinion you value, said those same things to you? You wouldn't just walk away, and you couldn't just ignore it, you would probably ask him/ her why they thought that and delve deeper into the statements OR have a good laugh (because you know it was in jest) and go on with your life. See the major differences?
I would also like to take this chance to, not necessarily apologize to Aurelius, because I still feel his words and behavior were out of line, but at least acknowledge that my demeanor was crude and unnecessary and I should have been more mature in responding to his remarks.
It was also to try and force people into looking into the basics before going to a forum. The main WoW website has loads of information for the people new to a job and need general information, which is the vast majority of the posts we dont' like to see around here.
Two more things. Aurelius has a good point and I do not disagree with it, I disagreed with how he went about saying it. He spoke to the posters here he didn't like in a way that was both offensive and demeaning and added his views into those posts in an overzealous way that didn't directly address the problem he was trying to solve, but rather forced (as much as one can) his opinions and convictions upon his everyone here as if he were superior/ perfect. Along that same line, however, those who disagreed with him shot back at him in such a way that made US seem superior. In an argument about how people should and shouldn't act, everyone is going to look like a hypocrite because it's impossible to say "You can't tell people how they should or shouldn't act" without telling someone how the should or shouldn't act and violating the very principal you're trying to convey. It's like telling someone to watch their language by saying "Watch your fcuking mouth."
And last, new posters do have rights to say what they want, the same way everyone else does, but that doesn't mean we have to take him seriously or give what he says credit. Imagine yourself on a bus, in a classroom or anywhere in the world where you are surrounded by strangers AND friends/ family/ people you know. A stranger comes up to you and tells you that you're posture is wrong, your clotehs are out of style and your girlfriend is ugly.... how seriously would you take him? You'd more than likely just go on your daily life as if nothing happened except for the fact that in your mind and with your friends you'd say "who the hell was that?" Now imagine your best friend/ someone whos opinion you value, said those same things to you? You wouldn't just walk away, and you couldn't just ignore it, you would probably ask him/ her why they thought that and delve deeper into the statements OR have a good laugh (because you know it was in jest) and go on with your life. See the major differences?
I would also like to take this chance to, not necessarily apologize to Aurelius, because I still feel his words and behavior were out of line, but at least acknowledge that my demeanor was crude and unnecessary and I should have been more mature in responding to his remarks.
Ok, I feel like getting my bite out of the frenzy, so here it is.
Everyone screws up, everyone asks dumb questions at some point.
There are rankings in the forums here, and ideally the are not designed so that people who have already gone though their newb phase can belittle other newbs. If I was taking you guys backpacking with me, and you didn't know how to work the water filter or light a good fire, would you respect me for mocking you? I hope not.
Yeah, people should ready the stickies, but sometimes you miss stuff. I've been looking at these forums off and on for over a year and the quality of posts has been consistant, including the complaints about them.
When I see a blue or green name tearing apart someone who missed part of the FAQ or didn't read it, or has a question that the person who's been doing this for over a year thinks is obvious, it just kindof pisses me off. You got a title that gives you some respect, so act like it. Show some patience.
There's a difference between "h0w 1 f33d p3t??//" and an honest question. I would hope a "scholar" could recognize that
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Everyone screws up, everyone asks dumb questions at some point.
There are rankings in the forums here, and ideally the are not designed so that people who have already gone though their newb phase can belittle other newbs. If I was taking you guys backpacking with me, and you didn't know how to work the water filter or light a good fire, would you respect me for mocking you? I hope not.
Yeah, people should ready the stickies, but sometimes you miss stuff. I've been looking at these forums off and on for over a year and the quality of posts has been consistant, including the complaints about them.
When I see a blue or green name tearing apart someone who missed part of the FAQ or didn't read it, or has a question that the person who's been doing this for over a year thinks is obvious, it just kindof pisses me off. You got a title that gives you some respect, so act like it. Show some patience.
There's a difference between "h0w 1 f33d p3t??//" and an honest question. I would hope a "scholar" could recognize that
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You know, on other class forums, people are generally pretty nice - especially druid and pally forums. They patiently help noobs - while here we have short fuses and "have fun" with the poor noobs (I'm as guilty as any).
I was about to post the same thing. The druid forum is a particularly helpful place. Even the stupid questions will get a one post response saying to read the sticky as what they ask is in there.
I don't see the need to bother responding any further than that. The need to abuse the offender accomplishes nothing other than wasting your own time and discouraging others from becoming involved in the forum - including those who aren't the targets of the abuse, but are just reading the forums for general information. I know I would probably head over to TKASomething if I had a question rather than risk offending someone here and copping a blast.
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Posted: Nov 02 2007 at 6:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Woohoo my name was mentioned.. go me..
The Real Deal:
Look, the Hunter forums here on Alla helped me immensely. I've only been posting here for a few months and North, Caldone, skribs, Azuarc, azwing, ZulFreize and more (sorry if I didn't mention someone) have all helped me in some fashion, even as a newbie. They DO help newbies and they do make an effort to be thorough.
Are some more 'undiplomatic' about how they present things, certainly, but that doesn't mean they are preaching, it just means that is their style and they are entitled to it. Some horses are taller than others but you don't need a tall one to be heard loud and clear. In fact, reason is its own reward and most folks will pay attention to well spoken reason. No need for a pulpit.
On Newbies:
We probably need a "New to the Hunter Forum? READ THIS FIRST!" Sticky that has a small single post with the general 'ideas' of what is expected of them before they post here for the first time. If the newbie ignores that thread, they do so at their peril.
I won't flame a newbie, I'll casually guide them to what will help them, as it probably helped me, but I won't flame them. They might get some heat depending on their approach, and I'll usually post up after that heat to calm it down, even if the new poster deserved it. So, I occasionally get labeled a carebear. It doesn't bother me.
On Flame Wars:
What does bother me is that some people insist on launching attacks while pretending to 'care' about the newbies, or just because they've had a bad day- who knows. It has less to do with caring about newbies or days and more about an excuse to attack some others here that they have feuds with. I've watched both 'sides' do this. It's stupid. Once a thread has devolved to that, it doesn't help hunters, it doesn't do a thing for WoW and it's off topic. Take it to the OoT or to private messages, we don't need to see it. I keep watching derailed threads like this one just in case it gets back on topic, which this one has. Not all threads have to be on hunters or wow, there's a little hunter family here, but when it gets extreme, put it where it belongs. As azwing said, this is normally the realm of the Admins, but since they are rare, we have to do this ourselves. Grow up folks...
The Root of all Posting Manners:
Prove your worth by ADDING intelligence and experience to the forum. Ask questions that make everyone better or will at least get you to the point where you can participate evenly. Keep your flamethrower under lock and key until someone decides that you are a target, then fine, open fire, but if it doesn't add to the forum, move it to OoT or the Asylum, they love fights. Funny or fun topics and comments are welcome, real attacks are unnecessary.
The Death of a Thread:
Katchii has made his points, he's OP on this. He's clarified, redacted, and gotten the feedback he was looking for. Can we bury this thread now? It's my belief that if you have something constructive to add, do so, if not, take it elsewhere.
Look, the Hunter forums here on Alla helped me immensely. I've only been posting here for a few months and North, Caldone, skribs, Azuarc, azwing, ZulFreize and more (sorry if I didn't mention someone) have all helped me in some fashion, even as a newbie. They DO help newbies and they do make an effort to be thorough.
Are some more 'undiplomatic' about how they present things, certainly, but that doesn't mean they are preaching, it just means that is their style and they are entitled to it. Some horses are taller than others but you don't need a tall one to be heard loud and clear. In fact, reason is its own reward and most folks will pay attention to well spoken reason. No need for a pulpit.
On Newbies:
We probably need a "New to the Hunter Forum? READ THIS FIRST!" Sticky that has a small single post with the general 'ideas' of what is expected of them before they post here for the first time. If the newbie ignores that thread, they do so at their peril.
I won't flame a newbie, I'll casually guide them to what will help them, as it probably helped me, but I won't flame them. They might get some heat depending on their approach, and I'll usually post up after that heat to calm it down, even if the new poster deserved it. So, I occasionally get labeled a carebear. It doesn't bother me.
On Flame Wars:
What does bother me is that some people insist on launching attacks while pretending to 'care' about the newbies, or just because they've had a bad day- who knows. It has less to do with caring about newbies or days and more about an excuse to attack some others here that they have feuds with. I've watched both 'sides' do this. It's stupid. Once a thread has devolved to that, it doesn't help hunters, it doesn't do a thing for WoW and it's off topic. Take it to the OoT or to private messages, we don't need to see it. I keep watching derailed threads like this one just in case it gets back on topic, which this one has. Not all threads have to be on hunters or wow, there's a little hunter family here, but when it gets extreme, put it where it belongs. As azwing said, this is normally the realm of the Admins, but since they are rare, we have to do this ourselves. Grow up folks...
The Root of all Posting Manners:
Prove your worth by ADDING intelligence and experience to the forum. Ask questions that make everyone better or will at least get you to the point where you can participate evenly. Keep your flamethrower under lock and key until someone decides that you are a target, then fine, open fire, but if it doesn't add to the forum, move it to OoT or the Asylum, they love fights. Funny or fun topics and comments are welcome, real attacks are unnecessary.
The Death of a Thread:
Katchii has made his points, he's OP on this. He's clarified, redacted, and gotten the feedback he was looking for. Can we bury this thread now? It's my belief that if you have something constructive to add, do so, if not, take it elsewhere.
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I completely understand getting tired of the same questions getting asked over and over again...I get sick of it too...but if the question hadn't been asked in a while, and the thread isn't on the first page or two, how would they know it's been asked?
Thus, why I have been saying the first 4-5 pages.
If it takes me 5 seconds to find a thread to point somebody to, just by searching the titles, they can do the same, thats were I start flaming people.
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Because honestly...doesn't taking the time to flame someone take a tad longer than answering a simple question? :P
Nope, it takes about 2 seconds to flame somebody and about 5 seconds to find a thread on one of the recent pages answering their questions.
All about how much your time is worth, and my time is worth alot ;)
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Sorry Caldone but the manner in which you reply says to me you don't have a arguement to point across and so I think we can safely say that Aurelius has a firm point and those who flamed him were in the wrong.
More on-topic: some very good points raised in the last couple of constructive posts.
Oh and the UK in my name means I'm from the UK. But make assumptions if you will ;) ***-u-me scenario :D
More on-topic: some very good points raised in the last couple of constructive posts.
Oh and the UK in my name means I'm from the UK. But make assumptions if you will ;) ***-u-me scenario :D
This thread frightens me. In about 8 different ways.
Shut up. All of you. ><
Ok, story time. Back when the World of Warcraft beta first came out, I posted extensively in the general forum. I was one of the people in beta, supplying information to all the people without. I went from a low karma rating (barely 2.00) to up around 3.50 after already having 5-600 posts under my belt. (For those of you who have been for a while, you know how difficult changing your rating is after you've been established at a particular level.)
The point is, from being a person who got down-rated on my comments on EQ items, I became a worthwhile part of the fledgling WoW community. People respected me. I had people I respected. It was a good place to exchange information.
And then the stress test came, and suddenly all that got swept away like a flood had come through. All the people I had helped had suddenly forgotten those that had fed them information, and were trying to tell all the total newcomers things. The newcomers were trying to make the forums their own. And in general the forum because a foreign place. After a few months of many of the loudest folks forming a guild on a particular server and turning the WoW general into a "Hey you're not one of us" outcast zone, I walked away from WoW general. I'd poke my head in once in a while, but I didn't see the point when 90% of the posts were drivel to begin with, or became derailed by folks with increasingly-inflated post counts.
Eventually that guild and that clique self-destructed, and the forum returned to a more reasonable state of equilibrium, but I still really haven't gone back to WoW general. I only comment there once in a while to remind people I exist since, as of last August, I've been doing actual work for the site and it's nice to see the presence of the site staff. I've just sorta been burned from that.
Where did I go from there? Here. This was my sanctuary. This is where I fled to. A place where I could still feel intelligent and talk to other people who were civil and relatively reasonable. And there were one or two occasions where I ran someone out of town who threatened that, (Blut comes to mind,) and I would occasionally be a little cocky about being one of the more knowledgeable folks around, but it was a community of folks who would talk and exchange information. I'll admit, the average experience level (in terms of gameplay, not character,) was relatively low and so I did frequent a few other boards like tkasomething, but I still considered this my "home" board.
I've been a lot more inactive in here in the past 6 months. The fact that I never updated the sticky myself should be testament to that. Part of that has been busy-ness, and part of that has just been disinterest...in the game and in the forum. But why is it that every time I actually come back and read the threads, I feel like there's something else here for me to lock, when I'm not really supposed to lock threads that don't get severely out of hand?
This is supposed to be a community. A civil one. One that helps people. One that does not tear at each other's throats.
I don't care who started it. I don't care who claims who is perpetuating it. I don't care who is hypocritical or hypochondrial or simply a hippo.
I don't want to see threads like this. That's not a finger at the OP. That's a finger at everyone from reply #1 onward. Help new folks when it's reasonable. Point them to the sticky if it will help them. Ignore them if they are being completely unreasonable, and maybe also rate them down. That's all that needed to be said. Right from the beginning. End of discussion.
I don't want to feel like I'm making an *** of myself when I redirect other people here for assistance. And I don't want newbs (as opposed to noobs) to feel unwelcome or unwanted, when this would be the forum for them to ask their basic game knowledge questions about hunters...yes, even best pet threads, so long as they back it up with a little knowledge.
I'm not locking this thread yet, but stop the back and forth, and don't spread it somewhere else. I'm not demanding this of you, as someone with their name in purple. I'm asking you, as someone who once had their name in normal (not even blue or green) letters and had to earn everyone's respect.
Shut up. All of you. ><
Ok, story time. Back when the World of Warcraft beta first came out, I posted extensively in the general forum. I was one of the people in beta, supplying information to all the people without. I went from a low karma rating (barely 2.00) to up around 3.50 after already having 5-600 posts under my belt. (For those of you who have been for a while, you know how difficult changing your rating is after you've been established at a particular level.)
The point is, from being a person who got down-rated on my comments on EQ items, I became a worthwhile part of the fledgling WoW community. People respected me. I had people I respected. It was a good place to exchange information.
And then the stress test came, and suddenly all that got swept away like a flood had come through. All the people I had helped had suddenly forgotten those that had fed them information, and were trying to tell all the total newcomers things. The newcomers were trying to make the forums their own. And in general the forum because a foreign place. After a few months of many of the loudest folks forming a guild on a particular server and turning the WoW general into a "Hey you're not one of us" outcast zone, I walked away from WoW general. I'd poke my head in once in a while, but I didn't see the point when 90% of the posts were drivel to begin with, or became derailed by folks with increasingly-inflated post counts.
Eventually that guild and that clique self-destructed, and the forum returned to a more reasonable state of equilibrium, but I still really haven't gone back to WoW general. I only comment there once in a while to remind people I exist since, as of last August, I've been doing actual work for the site and it's nice to see the presence of the site staff. I've just sorta been burned from that.
Where did I go from there? Here. This was my sanctuary. This is where I fled to. A place where I could still feel intelligent and talk to other people who were civil and relatively reasonable. And there were one or two occasions where I ran someone out of town who threatened that, (Blut comes to mind,) and I would occasionally be a little cocky about being one of the more knowledgeable folks around, but it was a community of folks who would talk and exchange information. I'll admit, the average experience level (in terms of gameplay, not character,) was relatively low and so I did frequent a few other boards like tkasomething, but I still considered this my "home" board.
I've been a lot more inactive in here in the past 6 months. The fact that I never updated the sticky myself should be testament to that. Part of that has been busy-ness, and part of that has just been disinterest...in the game and in the forum. But why is it that every time I actually come back and read the threads, I feel like there's something else here for me to lock, when I'm not really supposed to lock threads that don't get severely out of hand?
This is supposed to be a community. A civil one. One that helps people. One that does not tear at each other's throats.
I don't care who started it. I don't care who claims who is perpetuating it. I don't care who is hypocritical or hypochondrial or simply a hippo.
I don't want to see threads like this. That's not a finger at the OP. That's a finger at everyone from reply #1 onward. Help new folks when it's reasonable. Point them to the sticky if it will help them. Ignore them if they are being completely unreasonable, and maybe also rate them down. That's all that needed to be said. Right from the beginning. End of discussion.
I don't want to feel like I'm making an *** of myself when I redirect other people here for assistance. And I don't want newbs (as opposed to noobs) to feel unwelcome or unwanted, when this would be the forum for them to ask their basic game knowledge questions about hunters...yes, even best pet threads, so long as they back it up with a little knowledge.
I'm not locking this thread yet, but stop the back and forth, and don't spread it somewhere else. I'm not demanding this of you, as someone with their name in purple. I'm asking you, as someone who once had their name in normal (not even blue or green) letters and had to earn everyone's respect.
Only the exceptions can be exceptional.
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That's not a finger at the OP. That's a finger at everyone from reply #1 onward
Az, "everyone?"
I'm ashamed to have started a thread that is threatened to be locked because it's gotten out of hand. I apologize, there's really nothing else I can say, I'm sorry for being one of the guilty parties addressed here and I think we should all at least acknowledge that we acted like a pack of rabid dogs.
Now let's get our shots and head back to civilized life and forget that this happened? Please?
Now let's get our shots and head back to civilized life and forget that this happened? Please?
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I'm ashamed to have started a thread that is threatened to be locked because it's gotten out of hand. I apologize, there's really nothing else I can say, I'm sorry for being one of the guilty parties addressed here and I think we should all at least acknowledge that we acted like a pack of rabid dogs
Heh, Katchii, QUIT BEING SO DAMN TIMID! :D
This is stated with only the best intentiones in mind: I hope you are a gall, or gay, casue you need to "grow a pair" so to speak :P
Anyways, I definetly took it out of hand, but meh, notice from like a weeks ago it hasn't been nearly as bad, now I just flame back at the flamers :P
Timid, girl, guy, gay or whatever I feel genuinely sorry about the environment of this thread. it didn't accomplish anything or serve any purpose really because no one really took it seriously from the start.
By the way, I have a pair, but I post from work normally, and my wife and I don't work together, so.....yeah.
By the way, I have a pair, but I post from work normally, and my wife and I don't work together, so.....yeah.
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