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You seem to be operating from the assumption that every question that gets flamed here (or where the poster is treated poorly for asking it) has the answer contained in the sticky.

Obviously, it's not.

As a prime and recent example, if someone was told there's a quest to get Shadow Meld for their pet, will the sticky provide the answer to that question? No, it won't. Petopia won't provide the answer to that question. A person could spend hours going through all of the quests in Kalimdor trying to find it and their question still wouldn't be answered. So they come here and ask...an extremely reasonable thing to do, and they're met with snide idiocy as a response. Is that cool?

You've missed the point. You can't expect someone to do something you yourself were not willing to do. That's called hypocricy. It's called a double standard. Nothing undermines a leadership role (ie. management, etc.) like expecting people to do something you have never done. That's why "lateral entry" has become such a miserable taboo. So sure, you can refer people to the sticky, but when you talk down to them because they haven't done something that you haven't done, you're just being an ***.



And believe it or not, Caldone, other people can be a far more effective resource for finding information than some other options. If you don't want to answer their question, don't. It would be better, I think, if you would not drive people away before those of us who wouldn't mind answering their question have an opportunity to do so. Unless you think you and the rest of the Hunter clique are more important to these forums than anyone else. That in of itself would be very telling.



You're right. Teachers, professors, consultants the world over are being phased out. Who wants to talk to a person when they have a question when they could just as well pour over page upon page upon page of dry information that is mostly irrelevant to their question.



A couple. Not all. I didn't say all, so my ************** theory" is just your ******** interpretation of what you failed to read properly.



Where can I find the information to do that research? Is that in the sticky too?

I love this, I'm done, I answer your questions over and over and you keep asking the same ********* only answering/questioning half the statement.

You take one paragraph, and ask a question, or make a comment about it that I have already answered in another paragraph, and then you tear apart that other paragraph, when it was answered it yet another one.

Read the whole posting, see how it all explains itself, then try to comne up with a retort.

Aight guys, I am done explaining myself about the same damn things over and over again, I get it enough from my wife, I don't need it from a selfrighteous asshat.

Ok, well it's obvious that no one's even reading my posts, and I could try to be constructive and try to gather the information in the sticky thread into one new thread...

But I'm not sure why I'd bother.

Adios.

I totally agree that in a perfect world, the above are a great ideal. However, the real world is full of people that don't or won't meet those expectations. Expecting every newcomer to meet those criteria and do their homework is very unrealistic. So, the response of some is to attack people because they don't meet the ideal standard, as opposed to simply answering or ignoring them.

In my opinion, the real fault is the lack of an active Admin in the forum. If an Admin were active, then dumb questions would be answered with perhaps a short answer followed by, "See the Sticky" and "Thread Closed". Instead, the forum is a sort of quasi-self-policing entity where people attempt to enforce their own standards through their own methods.

The above argument in this thread is really about two different perspectives about dealing with posts and arguing who is right or wrong. In reality, the lack of real standards and enforcement by Allakhazam is what the ultimate root of the "problem" is, in my opinion. In effect, Allakhazam let's the inmates run the asylum. Not all the inmates agree with each other, so they argue because the warden (Allakhazam) has not explicitly stated what their standards for posting and replying are.

Arguments like this thread are ultimately pointless because neither side will convince the other that their approach is best. Unless Allakhazam defines their standards and people have something to point to as "the law", then neither side is correct and the mob rules.

Yes, I believe I said exactly the same thing a few threads of this nature back. So rather than rehash imperical observation, I posted the ideal. I agree with you fully, it is the ideal. To me, the ideal is the goal, not the 'method' of reaching it.



Completely accurate. Then again, with that level of admin, some of the funnier things said would also be constrained so it's a double-edged sword.

If all of us, as a personal choice, stick with the 'ideal' posting behavior, it will rub off on all but the most inconsiderate of newbies. It sets the standard by which just reading a few threads tell a new poster how to behave. If the new poster comes in and doesn't read a darned thing and posts up "How do I...", I fully expect myself to whistle up North and say "Go get 'im boy!" However, if it's clear that the poster at least tried to follow good posting behavior, even 2 out of the four things I mentioned, then they just need a little polishing, some minor admonition, the right answer and as you said Az "thread closed". We need to agree to kill the thread (not just derail, but kill).

At that point, introducing new posters to the Alla world is just a maintenance procedure. It becomes "Clean up on Aisle 5" and we can all juggle that role around. If you don't feel like doing it, like you said Az, ignore it and someone else will. Or we can all clamor for better admin, or just ignore this entire issue and risk becoming bored because it's just all of us common posters and all the new blood is entirely scared away.

Your home room teacher is calling.

Kiss your momma with that mouth?

>.<

Ouch!

Blue post sub-default anybody?

You know, on other class forums, people are generally pretty nice - especially druid and pally forums. They patiently help noobs - while here we have short fuses and "have fun" with the poor noobs (I'm as guilty as any).

Before we make blanket rules, however, about who can and can't ask questions here - well, I for one, when I started wow years ago, read the guides that were here (one is still there - the "how to get your hunter to 20" guide or something, it was pretty good). There was no petopia yet. And I had to ask a few questions that were bugging me - newb questions. And people were very nice about answering me.

I think we've really lost sight of things lately.

Going back to the "golden daze" of the Boar Crusade, we were specifically against noobs with "bad attitude" coming in here, feeling entitled - and asking poorly written, cocky or bizarely ignorant questions (the endless stream of "whatz the best pet dood?" questions were what set me off).

But we all had it in mind that if a nice newb came in asking questions - trying to spell - not making our eyes bleed w/ walls of text - and so on - we'd help them, even if the answer was in the stickie!

Look, that stickie - to be brutally honest - is way too detailed and long. It's not what a newb needs when they have a question burning a hole in their head - to ask them to spend 20 minutes scanning through a whole thread - when one of us could spend 20 seconds answering them - come on!

Let's go back to being "reasonable," I humbly ask!

Let's not jump on every newb who comes here - just the truly awful N00bz! That we've lost the distinction says bad things about us. It's sort of like we've gone from ganking idiots who deserved it to griefing entire newbie zones w/ our seventies. We've crossed a line, and I hope we can come back - and present a more "balanced" form of insanity here!

Well, here's hoping....

Edited, Oct 26th 2007 5:23pm by IponemaGirl

I feel we jump on the noobs too quickly and harshly in the name of keeping a 'quality' forum.

This forum is harsh yes, though if they are not thick skinned enough to stay, it helsp filter out the baddies :)

Notice, not all the newbies have left, some have stayed. Some have stayed and turned good while some just wont stop (Aure) with their noobness.


I like that filtering process :P

It's Oink!


Good ta see ya buddy!