rebirth hemo, reborn shadowstepFollow

http://wowhead.com/?talent=fZhbEzbMZircoGGRsxod

will be my official 2.3 build, save any nerfs that may be incoming before the patch lands

your hemo rogue is back, and like my life from just before xpac to level 69, i will be shadowstep again

this build is a anti-melee machine, fully imp garrote just for warriors, setup helps TONS vs rogues (evasion vs evasion fights ill get the chance to burn 5cp on a rupture then have some for a KS before the evasions even end)

and shadowstep used how im using it is a huge anti-range machine, agressively changing poisons for the upcoming fight and closing the gaps with 1 cos, 2 imp sprint, 2 vanishs, and shadowstep

premed is vicious, and nothing ends a mage like premed, garrote, 4pt EA, then play the anti-ranged game i love playing

druids are the only thing i havent done a lot of testing on, but against everything else, im being highly successful me at 200 resil and a S1 main hand (gemed incorrectly too) compared to all the 400 resil s2/s3 equiped monsters on the PTR

mace rogues, particularly ar/prep give me trouble sometimes, ar + s3 mh = end of anyone though, not just me

i cant wait for the patch, and i cant wait for my s2 mainhand, throw on executioner, and ill have proc 1400 AI... throw in some s3 gear with AI and i can ignore hunter armor like mad.... and then ill be a happy rogue (even vs BM mode)


its gonna be great, and ill need to re-gear a smidge... but man, i havent felt so good on my rogue since my combat hemo days at level 60, ruining peoples worlds with ravenholdt slicer :D

For raiding 3/3 imp. SnD would be better than imp. sprint too. Would it be better for PvP? Hell no.

So are you ignoring daggers completely and using this for bigger garrotes and other specials?

I want to try it (i am specced 0/20/41 on the PTR currently) but the only dagger i have is a ced's carver. I havent had much of a chance to play with it yet.

i got have no desire for raiding, and arena is gonna be if it works yippee, if not whatever :)

i got riposte because no more disarm immunity is a big deal to me, and it helps this build get a lil more burst it desperately needs

dirty deeds + riposte = 1600+ crits thru resilience :)

i ruin ms warriors quor, shadow step garrote rush a rupture then evasion and ghostly strike

they dip below 35% and its like taking their plate and making it mail instead :D then its just a race

youll even get 2 steps off most likely, end of fight gouge into a stepped evis :D

deadly poison for even more rushdown, its interesting


and if a rogue decides to full combat on me, ill disarmor vanish and hide... full combat dun got prep, i got a leg up in a all out fight

Yeah that sounds like fun Mongoose. The thing I liked about full sub hemo was that you could go toe to toe with a warr and at least stay even if not come out ahead depending how many cooldowns you had up. Before I switched to combat for 25man raiding I had 45% dodge unbuffed when specced sub. Evasion/ghostly strike/dodge trinket = tons of cps from setup, good times:)
Hopefully with the upcoming changes that spec will be playable(read competitive and fun) even if it's not particularly viable in every aspect. I think I'll try something like this spec when I get some time to mess around on the PTR.

Wow... how the hell I overlooked that...


I think I am gonna grab BF for 34 in the tree still, but thanks for pointing that out.

It is a HUGE bonus when you can get two people in your radius for it. Otherwise it is just a pretty big increase in attack speed. Stacked with Mace Haste, mongoose, or SnD, it's a big chunk of damage I find.

Actually, Aggression now also effects backstab so as a ShS rogue it would benefit him. I'm not arguing if its better/worse than another talent in that build but just pointing out the 2.3 change that would make it useful.

@hatebrood

ar/prep is 31 combat and 21 sub minimum

you get 10 points left over, thats enough for 0/5 lethality, and you can get imp bs.... not enough bein ar/prep backstab ever in all honesty

Bah, I'll just come out and say it.

5/5 Opportunity only for Garotte is a waste of 5 points.

Garotte does about 1k + 22% atk, let's say you've got 2k atk (You don't), it does 1440. You've just spent 5 point so that one move that you'll use 2-3 time per fight (assuming succesful restealth) now does 1700.

And if you use CS (and you will still use it), the points are totally wasted.

Big whoop.

I'd max out MoD or even Camo instead. If Sub truely become viable and isn't a flavor of the month, you can expect a lot more people with MoD and HS around... so those talents will become a lot more important to combat them.


Edited, Oct 24th 2007 10:55pm by Tyrandor

i got nothing better to spend those early points on, and i open garrote vs

mages, warriors, rogues sometimes, paladins, shamans (build based), druids (build based)

garrote for 1200 base, plus 20% from oppo, plsu 20% from shadowstep to open

thats 1680, vs a warrior thats worth it... more then camo or mod anyways....

extra dmg on a move i use often > talent thatll help me MAYBE vs 1 class or a convience talent :)

...Or, hmmm, duh.... you don't need Camo cause ShS works stealthed... Genius at work ladies and gentlemen