uh no, the "assassin's blackjack" as you called it *is* in the game and it's *not* a mace. The link you posted explains very clearly that a blackjack is a "sap" (for those who weren't already aware of that), which is made from leather and lead or birdshot or anything that will apply an amazing amount of inertia to the skull in a short swing.
Assuming you have the sap talent, it's used in real life like it is in game: incapacitation. Police or muggers, take your pick, but neither are using anything approximating a mace on the back of your head.
Try both in real life, the movement is comletely different. If you've played racquetball and tennis it's the difference between the wrist movement of rball (sap) or elbow movement of tennis (mace).
They aren't the same class of weapon, don't require the same type of skill, and certainly the mace would take eons to strike someone whereas a sap can and usually is palmed. It takes about a fraction of a second to sap someone.
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okay so lets break it down a little easier then... for usability purposes
sap: leather blunt object filled to have good impact, but a cushioned impact sound
is it a few feet long and sharp metal? no.. its not a sword
is it maybe a foot long or less, and also sharp metal? nah.. not a dagger
is it brass knuckles or a barbed boxing glove? nope, not a fist weapons
is it a blunt weapon capable of stunning an opponent for a period of time? yes or at least very close
you know what else is blunt and stuns? mace spec
think of it in game terms man
broken bottle = sharp and small, dagger class (barman shanker)
dont be THAT literal, and accept that thats probably the main reason we can use maces... since its the only one that makes decent sense
geez
sap: leather blunt object filled to have good impact, but a cushioned impact sound
is it a few feet long and sharp metal? no.. its not a sword
is it maybe a foot long or less, and also sharp metal? nah.. not a dagger
is it brass knuckles or a barbed boxing glove? nope, not a fist weapons
is it a blunt weapon capable of stunning an opponent for a period of time? yes or at least very close
you know what else is blunt and stuns? mace spec
think of it in game terms man
broken bottle = sharp and small, dagger class (barman shanker)
dont be THAT literal, and accept that thats probably the main reason we can use maces... since its the only one that makes decent sense
geez
This thread took a sharp turn in the direction of F*cking Retarded.
It's a game, you moron.
It's a game, you moron.
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The IQ levels demonstrated in the last two posts certainly are degrading the thread...that's about the only thing you two got right. Sometimes I forget I'm probably speaking with children with little to no life experiences and very clearly lacking in social skills.
First of all maces aren't used for stunning, they have always and continue to be for smashing armor. Now if you can't understand how even in the game that might result in a stun in a very different way than a sap across the back of your skull, then there isn't much more I can explain...except that sap's don't take HP.
There is an actual and believable reason why rogues or assassins can use maces other than trying to create gamelore equivocating maces to saps...in both the game and real life you'd train in mace wielding.
*That* makes decent sense to me...much more so than what you're trying to claim.
And since I went to a weapon trainer in game to train in maces *and* I trained in sap from my rogue trainer, I'm thinking that Blizz thinks of them as two different weapons, as well.
Of course, it's more fun to flame this response than articulate a rational point, but try to understand the conversation in context...reread what I was responding to: you claim if blackjacks were in game, then they would belong to the mace class. Well, I guess it was news to you that we dohave blackjacks in game and they are not maces! They are saps. You can sap without mace ability...the two skills are in no way related.
No amount of insulting me is going to remove the fact that you were either too lazy to read the link you posted or too dumb to comprehend what is was saying. Or maybe you're too much of a noob to know rogues learn sapping separately from macing. Level up and try again...unless you know what you're talking about, STFU.
First of all maces aren't used for stunning, they have always and continue to be for smashing armor. Now if you can't understand how even in the game that might result in a stun in a very different way than a sap across the back of your skull, then there isn't much more I can explain...except that sap's don't take HP.
There is an actual and believable reason why rogues or assassins can use maces other than trying to create gamelore equivocating maces to saps...in both the game and real life you'd train in mace wielding.
*That* makes decent sense to me...much more so than what you're trying to claim.
And since I went to a weapon trainer in game to train in maces *and* I trained in sap from my rogue trainer, I'm thinking that Blizz thinks of them as two different weapons, as well.
Of course, it's more fun to flame this response than articulate a rational point, but try to understand the conversation in context...reread what I was responding to: you claim if blackjacks were in game, then they would belong to the mace class. Well, I guess it was news to you that we dohave blackjacks in game and they are not maces! They are saps. You can sap without mace ability...the two skills are in no way related.
No amount of insulting me is going to remove the fact that you were either too lazy to read the link you posted or too dumb to comprehend what is was saying. Or maybe you're too much of a noob to know rogues learn sapping separately from macing. Level up and try again...unless you know what you're talking about, STFU.
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The IQ levels demonstrated in the last two posts certainly are degrading the thread...that's about the only thing you two got right. Sometimes I forget I'm probably speaking with children with little to no life experiences and very clearly lacking in social skills.
First of all maces aren't used for stunning, they have always and continue to be for smashing armor. Now if you can't understand how even in the game that might result in a stun in a very different way than a sap across the back of your skull, then there isn't much more I can explain...except that sap's don't take HP.
There is an actual and believable reason why rogues or assassins can use maces other than trying to create gamelore equivocating maces to saps...in both the game and real life you'd train in mace wielding.
*That* makes decent sense to me...much more so than what you're trying to claim.
And since I went to a weapon trainer in game to train in maces *and* I trained in sap from my rogue trainer, I'm thinking that Blizz thinks of them as two different weapons, as well.
Of course, it's more fun to flame this response than articulate a rational point, but try to understand the conversation in context...reread what I was responding to: you claim if blackjacks were in game, then they would belong to the mace class. Well, I guess it was news to you that we dohave blackjacks in game and they are not maces! They are saps. You can sap without mace ability...the two skills are in no way related.
No amount of insulting me is going to remove the fact that you were either too lazy to read the link you posted or too dumb to comprehend what is was saying. Or maybe you're too much of a noob to know rogues learn sapping separately from macing. Level up and try again...unless you know what you're talking about, STFU.
First of all maces aren't used for stunning, they have always and continue to be for smashing armor. Now if you can't understand how even in the game that might result in a stun in a very different way than a sap across the back of your skull, then there isn't much more I can explain...except that sap's don't take HP.
There is an actual and believable reason why rogues or assassins can use maces other than trying to create gamelore equivocating maces to saps...in both the game and real life you'd train in mace wielding.
*That* makes decent sense to me...much more so than what you're trying to claim.
And since I went to a weapon trainer in game to train in maces *and* I trained in sap from my rogue trainer, I'm thinking that Blizz thinks of them as two different weapons, as well.
Of course, it's more fun to flame this response than articulate a rational point, but try to understand the conversation in context...reread what I was responding to: you claim if blackjacks were in game, then they would belong to the mace class. Well, I guess it was news to you that we dohave blackjacks in game and they are not maces! They are saps. You can sap without mace ability...the two skills are in no way related.
No amount of insulting me is going to remove the fact that you were either too lazy to read the link you posted or too dumb to comprehend what is was saying. Or maybe you're too much of a noob to know rogues learn sapping separately from macing. Level up and try again...unless you know what you're talking about, STFU.
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You're a moron because you tried to play the "you're all children blahblahblah" argument.
The saddest thing is that for all your typing, you probably still have less of a point than your mother's saggy tits.
so lemme get this straight
i gave an honest, decent response to why we can use maces... and why the weapon spec is stun proc too
your response is im dumb for comparing
wows blunt weapon with chance on hit stun
with
assassin blunt weapon, used to incapacitate silenty by applying a quick forceful blow to a target
sure, sap dun require maces.... so i guess in a way its flawed
but consider a few things
1: blackjacks evolved into police batons, hard objects used to subdue criminals.... they dont knock out in 1 hit, they just hurt like hell and are used more of a weapon then a silent killing method
2: its the only reasonable way to describe why we can use maces
you mentioned they are used to break armor? thats makes a ton of ******* sense... since a class designed to be stealthy would definately need to toe-to-toe armored opponents by class design... and the weapons proc ability is DEFINATELY ignore armor/reduce armor
my logic isnt perfect but it makes a ton more sense then yours
i gave an honest, decent response to why we can use maces... and why the weapon spec is stun proc too
your response is im dumb for comparing
wows blunt weapon with chance on hit stun
with
assassin blunt weapon, used to incapacitate silenty by applying a quick forceful blow to a target
sure, sap dun require maces.... so i guess in a way its flawed
but consider a few things
1: blackjacks evolved into police batons, hard objects used to subdue criminals.... they dont knock out in 1 hit, they just hurt like hell and are used more of a weapon then a silent killing method
2: its the only reasonable way to describe why we can use maces
you mentioned they are used to break armor? thats makes a ton of ******* sense... since a class designed to be stealthy would definately need to toe-to-toe armored opponents by class design... and the weapons proc ability is DEFINATELY ignore armor/reduce armor
my logic isnt perfect but it makes a ton more sense then yours
forsooth, my misanthropy interfers with my perspicacity! Alloweth me to better articulate, if thou wilt.
It's a game, you moron.
When you played pacman, you didn't try to establish a lore or real-life basis for big yellow dots turning pacman into a ghost-eating machine. You just ate the damn ghosts.
Now kindly, oh ye of such high IQ and social skills, STFU, GTFO, and GKY.
Edited, Nov 8th 2007 11:14am by EonSprinter
It's a game, you moron.
When you played pacman, you didn't try to establish a lore or real-life basis for big yellow dots turning pacman into a ghost-eating machine. You just ate the damn ghosts.
Now kindly, oh ye of such high IQ and social skills, STFU, GTFO, and GKY.
Edited, Nov 8th 2007 11:14am by EonSprinter
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Well, I guess it was news to you that we dohave blackjacks in game and they are not maces! They are saps. You can sap without mace ability...the two skills are in no way related.
And what trainer teaches the sap weapon skill? Is it horde specific? Because I'm pretty sure I've taken every weapon skill that can be trained from every trainer in the Alliance and I've never seen "Sap" as a weapon skill.
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You can sap without mace ability...the two skills are in no way related.
The sap ability only requires that you use a melee weapon. Sap in this case being a verb standing for incapacitating an opponent from stealth. Sap is not in this case a noun meaning a type of weapon that apparently only your toons can train in game.
Blizzard has decided to define weapons and abilities in their world a specific way. So they are entitled to define sap as an incapacitating crowd control tactic that can be done with any melee weapon.
Do yourself a favor and look at the sap image and tell me what weapon is covered in blood. Looks like a damn mace (in this case meaning a spiked club) to me.
While you are talking about Blizzard's language blunders why not discuss the practicality of any one opener being named "ambush". An Ambush (the noun) is simply any attack made from stealthed which was not expected by the sap (in this case also a noun to denote dummy) who gets caught in it. That doesn't sound to me like a stab in the back does it? Tbh, garrote, cs and ambush could all be defined as ambush. Do they have a reason for choosing one as they have? Sure they do. That's their prerogative as creators.
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They aren't the same class of weapon, don't require the same type of skill, and certainly the mace would take eons to strike someone whereas a sap can and usually is palmed. It takes about a fraction of a second to sap someone.
You're right sap isn't a weapon in this game is a rogue specific ability.
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Assuming you have the sap talent, it's used in real life like it is in game: incapacitation.
And how many points do I have to go into the mugging tree to get the sap talent. Again a trained ability, not a weapon and damn sure not a talent.
And while we're enagaging in this discussion, is it possible that perhaps one uses the hilt of their weapon (sword, dagger, mace) to actually sap someone? Perhaps fist weapon wielders simply pick up a rock and bash you in the skull.
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First of all maces aren't used for stunning, they have always and continue to be for smashing armor.
Have you ever been in a fight in your life? Ever studied a martial art? Ever got into an altercation with an officer of the law (or someone carrying similiar weapons)? If you ever get hit hard with a blunt object the sh*t stuns you. Like a punch in the jaw or a billy club. Or a damn mace. If someone hit you with a spiked bat and it smash your armor, it would also stun you. And in the middle ages most broadswords weren't slicing weapons (like scimitars) they were blunt two handers that you swung for stuns and crushing blows. So your statement is in my opinion inaccurate and unsupported.
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You can sap without mace ability...the two skills are in no way related.
This is a true statement. So why did you spend your whole post comparing the two?
Again in my opinion you fail at rogue-ing, you fail at mace-ing, you fail at sapping and you fail most importantly for this...
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Or maybe you're too much of a noob to know rogues learn sapping separately from macing. Level up and try again...unless you know what you're talking about, STFU.
Did you just call mother mongoose a n00b who needs to level up?
You didn't even deserve this response...now my coffee is cold.
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The saddest thing is that for all your typing, you probably still have less of a point than your mother's saggy tits.
LOL...anyways, I respecced to sub yesterday and I really despised it. I did some bg's and quested with it and I really wasn't happy at all. Combat/Mut FTW in my opinion.
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