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Should I skip this talent? 10 hp for 5 hits doesn't seem like much. Since I've maxed Flurry (See my character (Vanderlei) for build), I hit for BIG damage and keep Flurry up quite a bit.

Should I respec and try and get to that Improved Berserker Stance talent pool? I am a 2H fury warrior.

I respecced from a balanced build to get deeper into Fury and noticed a HUGE increase in damage. I'm a solo PvE warrior, but haven't tried just an Arms build. Perhaps I'll respec and see how deep I can get into that tree at 41 and if it works better than my current build.

Actually I don't think so Russki
BT outperforms mortal strike with a 3.6 or greater attack speed only after ALOT of attack power. Somewhere in the ballpark for 2500 ap (or more!) I believe, correct me if I'm wrong.

At some point BT > MS, for DPS. It depends on your gear and spec of course.

What you end up doing is forgoing imp berserker stance, precision and rampage if you choose to go MS. Now precision isn't nearly as useful for a 2h war, but if you have less than 8.6% chance to hit, you need to get that.

MS with not-completely-epicced gear, will usually out damage BT. Even without imp berserker stance, precision and rampage; for 2h.

The hp regen on BT is not what you get the ability for. BT converts 45% of your AP directly into damage every time you use it. No other ability (besides victory rush, but that's very situational) gives you this much damage per AP.



Depending on your gear, and weapon. When BT outdamages MS is simple.

MS damage for a 2h;

(Weapon Damage {Pre AP}) + (Mortal Strike Damage Bonus {210 at 70}) + (AP * 3.3 / 14)

If this is equal to or more than BT damage;

AP * 45%

Then MS > BT, otherwise BT > MS.


Simple comparison and example;

Shaarde the Greater equipped on a warrior with 1500 AP, and is level 70.

205 - 309 base weapon damage
+ 210
+ (1500 * 3.3 / 14) or 353.6
-------------------
768.6 - 872.6 damage from MS

BT = 1500 * 45% = 675 damage from BT

So...

Merciless Gladiator's Greatsword equiped on a warrior with 2500 AP, and is 70

365 - 549 base damage
+ 210
+ (2500 * 3.3 / 14) or 589.3
-------------------
1164.3 - 1348.3 damage from MS

BT = 1125

You can see that BT is catching up, even though we substituted a much higher DPS and slower weapon. But that it does indeed take a stupid amount of AP to make it worth more than MS.

but d/w base white damage is > 2h weapon. and has higher rage generation.

"2h Flurry" includes a 10% AP boost, +275 AP and 5/5 Flurry, which tends to lessen the definition of 'insane' AP numbers.

At ~3000 AP you outdamage MS with BT with a Tier 3 smithing weapon (Stormherald, f'example), and that includes Rampage and Imp. Zerker and such.

This build includes 5/5 flurry. But I see what you mean by loss of imp zerker (10% AP) and rampage.

As for d/w, if you spec d/w in fury, your probably gonna get 41 points or more in the fury tree. (17/44).

one of the reasons on paper theory dps, d/w does more damage than 2h fury is because of the higher majority of white dps you provide. Imp berserker stance and rampage are just icing on the cake, and provide HUGE advantages to buffs.

Imp berserker stance alone is enough to make me want to spec for fury. The other goodies you get are just nice all the same.

As for having 3k+ AP, once you get past kara, you'll start to see more options available to acquire it. But I think 90% or more of the warriors will not see that much AP even in raid.

In theorycraft, d/w will outdamage 2h. But I have difficulty applying windfury or sword spec, etc... to my current theorycraft.

Their is a strong group of 2h warriors, myself included, that swear by 2h dps. But when ever I spec d/w for ****'s and giggles, I usually end up with higher dps overall.

it does easily out damage ms ;) if you only have something like GH or even despair, you can get enough gear (esp through pvp/arena) do do a lot more damage from DW. not to mention raid buffs and etc.