new cheat death, opinions?Follow

Looks like Blizz is at l(e)ast seriously trying to buff the subtree.

Because before this goes live a damage increase to your opener and 6 seconds after that is stupid, compared to cheat death....?

Edited, Oct 23rd 2007 1:44pm by Faylis

guys

lets think of it like this

you cheat death a dot tick or a ****** white hit of a weapon

bam you immune 300 damage, so your at 300 hp or so

now that dot is ticking for 30 instead? for 3 seconds? thats 1 tick, then the next will finish the job

i see it bein fun vs a ms warr, or anything that only hits big... but realistically how often is that?

well if you are that low on a MS warrior a white hit is the least of your concerns. If you get this to proc when he goes for his execute it totally is worth the bonus.

On a side note, anyone think free respecs will be handed around to people with talent changes?

anyone have a clue when 2.3 is supposed to finally show up on the real servers? I know it has been on the ptr for at least a week now.

How about using your brain?

It's been on for a week and we're just seeing some major changes to our class now. Why would it be out any time soon with how they're changing things?

edit: here's what I came up with for my initial response to a 2.3 build. Probably the best survivability build that a rogue will be able to get post-2.3.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2007 11:02am by Theophany

THEO im ashamed of you ! ><

wouldnt a QR/CD build be better? (for the ultimate survival rogue build i mean) roll daggers and its like a ****** 30-0-31

but more like 27-0-34 (no premed, a tsk tsk imo... those 2 cp are pretty sexy if your that far anyways)

helps your healer too, cheat death procs, he can get a big ol bonus off a flash heal... much more realistic imo

and guys, you act like the hit youll CD is a execute... what if your at low hp and you CD a deep wound tick? then he executes you for 4k x 0.1 = 400, enough to finish the job if thats the case

if he does it in the 3 second almost immune time anyways,

its just flimsy at best, outside of a 2v2 rogue/healer team... but if thats the case QR/maces is better for that or ar/prep

its a decent small idea... maybe if when it procs it put you in a vanish state? gives you some pve usage too.... but in its current form i got better used for 3 points (setup, chello? yes i said setup... eat it that **** is ROCK for shadowstep builds that agressively stack agi and use GS)

i just dont like the idea that will help me live a smidge longer, maybe, so my healer has a chance of healing me if i use a healer

3 seconds? anyone can stun/fear/silence for that long, shrug... thats just my view on it

Yeah, now that I think about it, this would probably be better if you have a healer.

0/28/33 or 0/27/34 would probably be better in a double DPS team, though.

given that rogues tend to have problems with stuff that hits big (i.e. warriors) id say the new cheat death rules. as horrible as it would be, id laugh my *** off when, one day, i execute crit a rogue for 200.

oh! then imagine you're getting focus fired at low health....with a warrior, mage, and hunter on you. you could potentially take 3-5 hits down by 90% damage, as well as absorbing one of those completely (assuming it retains the initial functionality of completely stopping a killing blow, then applying the new power of -90% damage).

Are you serious? What would you want me to drop for Ghostly Strike?

The only point I can see dropping is maybe a point in Camo.

Cheat Death is a very interesting change. Arenas are all about survivability and sub will have plenty of it. Plus, you'll have two vanishes/evasions/sprints and are impossible to kite.

My only main concern now is the damage: will sub, a backstab reliant build, be able to dish out enough damage in this resilience era? Only time can tell.

Yeah seriously... Ghostly Strike > Camo anytime @_@

from what i understand, isnt cheat death going to offer one "get out of death free" card every minute, followed immediately by 3s of -90% damage?

correct me if im wrong. but if thats how it works, then even deep wound ticks for over 1000 (impossible except on, say, curator while he evocates....if he wasnt bleed immune :( ) wouldnt kill you, at least not the first tick.

basically, what im seeing it as, if a sub rogue can avoid getting into a life-or-death situation more than once per minute, he pretty much wont die. its a great anti-focus fire tool as well. im curious to find out if it functions like spell reflect. like say a mage ap/pom pyros you at 10% the moment a warlock fires off a shadowbolt and a pally smacks you with HoW, would all three of those be "cheated" or would only the first to "hit" be cheated while the others are subject to the -90% modifier?