Why do we need raid food?Follow

unless of course you're FG spec and want him to survive...

Fixed. The only way you'll get healers to toss one to your pet, is offer very large sums of money.

i'll also link you a page with a run down on how good each trinket is for warlock dps and how much raw +damage it'd take to match it's dps/damage increase and you'll find that the voidstar talisman is pretty far down the list. as i said. all the trinkets i listed are better than it in practically every scenario.

http://wiki.shadowpriest.com/index.php?title=SimulationCraft/Trinkets/Warlock#Trinkets.2B_Rankings_for_SimulationCraft.2FProfiles.2Fwarlock_0_21_40

there's the website. sadly it doesn't have a comparison for ##/41/## specs, but if you look at each list. go to the +48 region and chuck in the voidstat talisman there and then look at how many trinkets are above it for when it comes to an increase in damage done. though each trinket's usefullness varies from spec to spec, a pure lump sump trinket like the voidstar talisman will always be at the +48 mark regardless. the increased resistance for your pet isn't really a big factor for equiping it in pve due to a mix of master demo, raid buffs and avoidance + cross healing from shamans and the T5 2set bonus

Edited, Oct 24th 2007 1:37pm by Jenovaomega

they say it's good because they see a bonus to pet resistance on it. they have no actual facts to back it up. it's the same with most trinkets. wave at someone the choice between nethariums tear and eye of mag and all will go for eye of mag, even though nethariums tear is better. same with scyer's bloodgem and icon of silver crescent, everyone will choose IoSC, but unless they're at the hit cap before the scryer's trinket, the bloodgem will be better.
The comparisons I'm doing ARE based on facts. ARE based on figures. the 'increased survivablity' of the felguard only applies to a few scenarios, and even in those scenarios, if you know how to control your pet properly, your pet will take minimal damage. in the end the MAIN cause of damage is due to phsyical aoe attacks. your total dps/damage WILL increase if you use a different trinket. FACT

p.s.
my 'silly little list' doesn't have to take that into account as your pet shouldn't be taking aoe damage. or at least not any of the magical type. it's likely to take phsyical damage which could kill it, but in that situation the increased resistances won't make any difference. the few aoe magic abilities around are meant to be dodged where and when possible by both melee dps and our pets. so if you're not pulling your pet back during those times then it's your own fault if it dies. also if you think the difference in dps due to your pet staying in a few more seconds will make up for the loss in your own dps by using such a poor trinket then you seriously over-estimate the amount of damage that the pet does.

p.s.s.
just because i don't raid as demo doesn't mean i don't know anything about it. heck i don't play rogues but i bet you i know how to dps as one better than most and do you want to know why? it's because I research all this crap, i find maths fun and I enjoy looking through all the figures and examples given by others. knowledge is power, though in wow i think 'knowledge is dps' is a better choice of words

Edited, Oct 24th 2007 3:10pm by Jenovaomega

pompa. as i said. the magical aoe from the bosses that do it should be avoided by your pet. seeing as everyone is meant to attempt to get away before the cooldown for those boss abilities is up, so you should be telling your pet to retreat. I never said that bosses don't deal magical aoe. just that most don't deal magical aoe that your pet should be hit by. also WHY do you keep on bringing up this re-summoning? if you control your pet properly it won't take that much damage, and so won't need resummoning. heck worst case scenario you should have a feldom+resummon macro for pulling your pet away fast and saving its buffs, not for after you've let it die.
I've played around with the felguard in kara, yes it's not an 'end-game' instance but I had no issue getting it to avoid the damage from charged people on the large trash mecha's, pulling it away from prince for the explosion/infernals AND setting new /stay positions where and when needed due to infernals. i had no issue minimalising the magical damage taken by my pet, generally it was phsyical aoe's that hit it.
trust me. learn to control your pet properly and you'll benefit more from a trinket that improves your long term damage rather than increasing your pets survivablility, heck it sounds almost like you'd rather take heavy stam gear just so your pet has a bit more health... o.0

Haterade!

And there it is..."L2P NUB!" go ahead and fling some more...(yeh, stam R teh sex1!)
Of course I trust you, how could I not when you mock me?


Well then I'm misinformed because I though he could get the debuff and the arcane missiles (ofc, healers use macro to heal whoever is getting them so in that case he would get healing).



My point sort of was that the trinket will allow you to focus more on the former because in fights where you've previously had to pull him out and send him in again you can now just let him be.
Of course, one could counter that argument with something like "if you can't handle him you should play a different build". But otoh, I do believe the saying is that to err is human.


ooooook...

Well I guess the consensus is that I'm talking out of my rear so I'll just go stand in my corner :P

Personally I think this trinket was put in to help tank Leo. I plan on picking this up just for that reason and that reason alone.

Although some would argue using a trinket with a large ammount of sta or Fr would be more useful.

Im sitting at the Fr cap atm with over 15k buffed. So I figured this would be pretty useful. 130 Fr on top of his 200(or is it 250, meh been awhile since I was really speced demo other than for tanking Leo). Regardless 200+130=330 Fr for Mr. Felpuppy. With Totem/Aura, he should be sitting above cap. Which should mean less healing needed on him. Plus it adds spell dmg to help me chuck out Searing Pains to tank.

Whats everyones thoughts on this?

I'm just going to coddle Jenova's balls on this one and agree that it's really primarily a PvP trinket. Pet resistances just aren't a big factor in most PvE content.

Not to burst anyone's bubble or anything, but it is a decent trinket for a fair number of bosses. In terms of VR it's pretty trivial to use the 2-piece T5 to heal through poundings, especially if you drop the damage intake a bit, so you'll gain more damage than you'd lose by having him run in and out. (Having melee run in and out on VR is also a bit questionable due to Arcane Orb nailing your melee group, which is unfun).

Vashj and Karathress both have significant semi-targeted AE and single target abilities that you (and your pet) won't be able to dodge, so reducing the damage there is decent. The same goes for Anetheron, Azgalor (god, especially Azgalor), Archimonde, Supremus, Gorefiend, Shahraz, Illidari Council and perhaps Illidan, although I'll have a better idea on the last one when I get there. *shrug* It's far from the be-all and end-all trinket, but suggesting that you can avoid all of these abilities is false and pretty obvious once you've actually been there.



Since when? This isn't true once you're past Gruul.

ah speaking of leo^^ i am supposed to tank the demon on sunday, there is a FR cap`? i am at 411 FR fully buffed. is that too much?

back to the topic raid food, or was it the voidstar talisman?
the voidstar talisman is quit useful from what i have heard and i aim to get
it as well, but first i need my secont piece´o´t5-gear

That was a hell of a run-on sentence.

And all I'm saying is that you're wrong. I should know, I'm the person actually getting _hit_ by the AOEs. The physical AE damage in this game more or less ends with Gruul. Leo is supposed to be avoided, armor doesn't reduce the Earthquake in Morogrim anyway, and that's _it_.

Every other AE ability (or random-target ability) is magic. Surviving said Magic is helpful, and while it's definitely better for some bosses than others that means that there _are_ times you want to use the trinket, and there _are_ times you don't.

Have you even attempted either Vashj or Kael? You downed Leo for the first time... yesterday. For that matter, 3/5 Hyjal bosses have extremely heavy random-target AE abilities (or, at least, non-timered ones that are not trivial to avoid) as do a fair number in BT.