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#27 Oct 21 2007 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
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agent law. it's not a 2% damage reduction. it's a 2% threat reduction. meaning you can generate 2% more threat before pulling hate. it's DEFINATELY the best enchant if you have aggro issues. also if you're actually geming for spell penetration then you seriously need to regem soon, you never need it for pve. CoE/CoS is enough. currently in TBC there hasn't been any high res bosses so it's not needed. (if you're worried about partial resists on bosses. they have a base 6% chance for partial resists, so you can't get it lower).

from the sounds of things you've yet to get gear that can generate alot of threat fast. meaning that you've yet to encounter as to why threat reduction is so important. also if you ever get to do void reaver then you'll understand how important soulshatter and -threat is.


Sorry I made a typing error. I realize it's 2% threat reduction. That was my mistake. However I did think that spell penetration was more important than you are saying it is. I will re-enchant my cloak asap.

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Can you give us an example of a situation where you pull aggro? Again, I'm assuming your raiding, and using the same main tank.
Help us out here. What is your rotation? What is your spec? +dmg? crit? I can understand pulling aggro a lot if you get sb crits before the tank has 2 or 3 sunders up.
How far into the fight are you having trouble? Is it at the beginning? Middle? Just any extra information you can provide would greatly help, rather than having us speculate.


Can't think of a specific example at the moment but I'll keep an eye on it and post back when I get one. It just seems like I can pull aggro on most bosses. However, I didnt realize the 130% rule and I wasn't using Soul Shatter at the appropriate time either.

My spell rotation is SL, CoA, UA, Corruption, Immolate and SB in between. I do this mainly because the DOT's wear off about the same time making it easier to get full use out of them and recasting them.

My character name is Airell on the Antonidas server. Sorry, I would of linked it but I can't figure out how to do it.

After all these posts were people are so astonished that I can pull aggro I'm starting to doubt that I can. I'm gonna have to play around a little more now and give examples. Oh, and for the record I usually wait for at least 2 sunders and sometimes 3.

Also, I would just like to add that I am in no way trying to say that I am leet or that I can hit harder than Jesus. I am also not opposed to +spell damage food in any way. I use it, and obviously from the replies I've received on this topic I'd be a fool not to. I appreciate the help!

#28REDACTED, Posted: Oct 21 2007 at 5:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) seriously dude you're ******* retarded, using the same logic, why wear spell damage gear at all? you'll only pull aggro that much sooner, you should gear for all stamina amirite. get a ******* clue.
#29 Oct 21 2007 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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#30 Oct 21 2007 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
Meh, I expected to get flamed. I really didn't think it was a dumb question and I hadn't seen it asked yet.
#31 Oct 21 2007 at 8:51 PM Rating: Decent
On a side note, I just WoWjutsued your server and holy **** you guys are TINY!
#32 Oct 22 2007 at 3:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Agentlaw wrote:
All you basically do is find a way to call me a noob. Do me a favor and either stop posting on this topic or read what Oakenwrath wrote directly below you and take notes on how to speak to people. Your know it all, elitist attitude is counter productive to someone that is trying to better themselves.


Oh, I am sorry, I never had slight intention of calling you noob. And I am the last person here that can be accused of elitism, I think :)

I do call you arrogant based on nothing though, because Jenova and Loki (and even some others) do have a point when they go all arrogant and cocky..... you dont.

Thanks for instructing me how to speak to people, but I have to inform you that changing my ways is something that more capable people than you have tried and failed /shrug
Dw, I wont pollute your thread anymore, have a nice day :)

#33 Oct 22 2007 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I think I can relate to the Soulshatter issue in a slightly obtuse way. I'm a priest. In my first raiding experiences, I generally didn't need to use potions very much. I reserved them for panic moments and bad situations, as I had in typical five-mans.

However, there came a point when my mana pool was getting seriously stressed on a consistent basis. And it occurred to me that these fights didn't just require mana potions in case of emergency; they were balanced with the designers keeping in mind that people can pot every two minutes. They had balanced the fights to strain my mana pool even slurping a potion every two minutes; trying to get by with only limited potion usage was folly.

Soulshatter should be looked upon in the same way. Instead of being something to use in case of emergency, it should be used consistently and tactically. Why? Because raid designers have a good idea of what your DPS should be assuming liberal use of Soulshatter, and they balance fights accordingly. The urge to hit as hard as physically possible is reflected in how many fights work, with actual or practical enrage timers. (Curator is an example of a practical enrage timer. Usually your healers can only keep up for a certain number of Evocations, and if you can't smear him after that many Evocations you wipe. It's a DPS-limiting fight.)

All the assets are important.
#34 Oct 22 2007 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah, I'm gonna seriously change the way I use Soulshatter. I was all wrong in the way I had used it in the past.

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On a side note, I just WoWjutsued your server and holy sh*t you guys are TINY!


What's even worse is that the Alliance heavily outnumber the Horde. Not a good thing when you roll an undead.
#35 Oct 22 2007 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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I know not everyone can know everything about other classes, but paying bit more attention to what others in your group do wouldnt hurt. And you might even learn something about what other dpsers do to avoid pulling hate and maybe use it.


This is very very hard to do once you get to 10+ people raiding. I can understand when he says he doesn't know what totems are down or w/e, there is usually wayyyy to much going on at fight time. That's one thing I noticed about WoW compared to say FFXI, the game runs much faster. At least for me it's one button press after the other for the entire boss fight, there is no time to look at what most others are doing. However knowing the other classes and the game mechanics definetely helps.
#36 Oct 22 2007 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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go to the spells list and check them by character. then go to wowhead.com/talent and check their talent trees. finally if you want to learn anything else about them you need to check their forums / ask them (usually this'll be about spell/ability cast order). personnally I can quote about 90% of all talent trees an 95% of all abilities in the game, but that's just me, i done it so i could play my class better in pvp though it probably did effect my pve... even if i can't think of any ways currently... lol
#37 Oct 22 2007 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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http://www.wowwiki.com/Working_with_a..._%28Warrior%29

Just some little tidbits about working with other classes and what they can/can't do. Most of it pretty basic and some is outdated but it's worth a look, you never know what you might stumble upon.
#38 Oct 22 2007 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah there's loads of stuff, heck something i know most locks don't think of is that in instances like TK and SSC which have alot of mobs that MC people. if they MC a melee dps, chuck a max rank Curse of Recklessness on them. they'll thank you for it once they can dps again ^^ lol
#39 Oct 22 2007 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry to derail,
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Oh, I am sorry, I never had slight intention of calling you noob. And I am the last person here that can be accused of elitism, I think :)


I would call Sethy our Resident DM Lock, as that is his prefered spec and specialty.

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Thanks for instructing me how to speak to people, but I have to inform you that changing my ways is something that more capable people than you have tried and failed /shrug

I seriously LoL'd at this. /wink

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yeah there's loads of stuff, heck something i know most locks don't think of is that in instances like TK and SSC which have alot of mobs that MC people. if they MC a melee dps, chuck a max rank Curse of Recklessness on them. they'll thank you for it once they can dps again ^^ lol


True, but competing to see who can get the killing blow on your raid leader is so much more fun!
#40 Oct 23 2007 at 4:43 AM Rating: Default
Pheared wrote:
A Salv buff means that you can do 30% more theoretical damage. because you have 30% more less threat.


Actually, you can deal 1.428 times more damage, as it lowers your threat to 70%, taking 1.428 times more threat to equal your previous 100%.

zxcy wrote:
Get sublety to cloak. Reduces aggro by 2 percent. And get salvation to reduce aggro by 30 more percent. And if that is not enough, get the shaman totem that reduces threat by 20%. There you go 52% aggro reduction. And if that doesnt work you tanks blow.


At 48% threat, you can deal 2.08333... times damage than at 100% threat. That subtlety actually would be useful with your threat lowered by that amount.

Oh, I'm wonder if the OP uses Soul Shatter?
#41 Oct 23 2007 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I would call Sethy our Resident DM Lock, as that is her prefered spec and specialty.


U C WUT I DID THER!?
#42 Oct 23 2007 at 7:01 AM Rating: Decent
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<3 :)


#43 Oct 23 2007 at 7:47 AM Rating: Decent
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well someone had to draw the short straw on this forum and specialise in felguard spec :P

p.s. once i get 2 pieces of T5 i'm gonna spec it for a bit to see how it fairs and also just for a bit of a change :)
#44 Oct 23 2007 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
YEah, I'll do it at 2/5 T5.
#45 Oct 23 2007 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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same here, there is an amazing post on the german wow-forum about speccing felguard and they say it does loads of dmg. I thin ki even read somewhere on the 2.3 patchnotes that pets will try automagically to atack mobs from behind.
#46 Oct 23 2007 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
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nah, they don't. they just won't stop attacking a target if it gets feared now.
#47 Oct 23 2007 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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In my experience, it's best to wit about a minute before blowing SS or similar, and as long as 2 minutes if you can keep going full damage without pulling aggro. At that point, blow SS and give your tank a nice 30k or more threat lead. That's assuming there's no threat wipes.

Also, you can only got 100% on some bosses (Nightbane is weird like that), and 110% if you're going to be in melee range as some point. Gotta be careful about going above 110% of your tank's threat, that's gotten me killed on Prince moves/Gruul Slams/Bear boss charges in ZA >.>

Try and pay attention to what's going on around you, it can really help :D
#48 Oct 23 2007 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Jenovaomega wrote:
well someone had to draw the short straw on this forum and specialise in felguard spec :P

p.s. once i get 2 pieces of T5 i'm gonna spec it for a bit to see how it fairs and also just for a bit of a change :)


I've got voidstar trinket and t5 gloves so with a little bit of luck I'll be FG spec tomorrow <3
#49 Oct 23 2007 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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that trinket is purely for pvp :P. oh. the way i deal with threat on most bosses is to wait till the tank gets to 15-20k threat on omen/ktm. then i full nuke. if i ever get to 120% threat i blow SS, otherwise i don't use it.
#50 Oct 23 2007 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Jenovaomega wrote:
that trinket is purely for pvp :P.


Hehe, you're a funny little thing :o)

Edited, Oct 24th 2007 1:11am by pompa
#51 Oct 23 2007 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
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if you're not at the hit cap, scryer's bloodgem & mag's eye are better. icon of silver cresent is better. netharium's tear is better. the trinket from nax is better, darkmooncard:crusade is better. quagmiran's eye is better. yeah that trinket isn't worthwhile using in pve :P

Edited, Oct 23rd 2007 7:14pm by Jenovaomega
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