Retribution getting threat reduction talent...Follow

No, it'd be a 10% threat boost over what they're currently doing. Actually 12, if you consider you're going to have Imp. Sanc.

Of course, being in the MT group ensures you'll never do any decent damage (say ta-ta to Battle Shout or Windfury Totem) so it's a bit of a mixed bag.

After the ret buff and reading the official board for a bit, it makes me see how much retadins cry. No, the buff can't be good enough can it? They need to turn it off and on, then have it in a diff area in the tree... Cmon, its a buff and ret is the dps tree. Sorry you can't be OTS anymore, but the gain was much greater than the loss.

Yeah, but I guess after the patch it will be rediculous to ask a ret paladin to tank after they get those talents. Bu t by that level it's really so much easier to run with a real tank than a ret tank.

No. There's this thing called math.

You do 100 Holy Damage. With Imp. RF up that works out to 190 threat.
You gain Sanctuary Aura and do 110 Holy Damage. With Imp. RF that works out to 209 threat.

209 / 190 = 1.1% = 10% more threat.

Edited, Oct 21st 2007 1:55pm by RPZip

Thats almost exactly the same math i did the other day >.> using the same numbers, to disprove almost the same thing.

Any % damage increase will increase the same % amount in threat.

People asked here, several times, that the reduction to threat would come from an ability and not a talnet. Blizzard decided Paladins have enough abilities(OK, I made this up, Blizzard's reasons are their own) and announced it will be from a talnet. People got a bit irritated, as you can't have that talent and still be a tank from now and then(well, one could, but will be alot harder).
So I was thinking, why not twink that talent a bit, stating that it will not work when RF is on?

truer words have never been spoken

while i would love to be able to turn threat reduction on and off, i'm happy to get it, period. if you could turn it on and off, that would mean a ret pally could dps almost as much as a 'pure' dps class with reduction on, turn it off and w/ RF and the dps a ret pally has generate more threat than any tanking spec even can, and then when he starts getting low on health heal/LoH himself... oh yeah and if things are still going bad, DI the healer or if the healer is a pally get DI'd, rez party and continue on....

my guess is blizzard thinks all that (and blessings, aura, seals and CS to refresh other pallys seals) is too much for a plate wearer... i could be wrong though.

we should be glad the dps tree in ret is getting what it needs for dps (6 sec CS and threat reduction) and not try to get bliz to make ret=god.... course, if blizz WANTS to do that i'd accept it ;)

How about this..."Gives a/b/c/d/e% threat reduction unless righteous fury is active."

Any more than two blessings is more or less superfluous. DPS classes will want Salvation and a DPS blessing (usually Wisdom or Might), healers get Salvation and Wisdom, tanks get some combination of Might/Light/Kings depending.

I'd have to say that any more than two Pallies in a raid serves to make the Retribution Paladin's "natural" support (I.E. blessings) unnecessary, but maybe you and some others are more forgiving than I am.


In this I would have to agree with you and, for once, disagree with everyone else and take the side of Retribution.

A six-second cooldown on Crusader Strike allows the Paladin to miss once and still not lose his refresh on judgements, which is huge. Huge. Bigger than any increase in damage this buff could ever bring.

A 2% damage increase + 3% crit + a blessing + judgement maintainance + higher damage output thanks to the new threat reduction is not a bad spread for a raiding class. Could you do better? Sure, but there are plenty of other DD classes that make raid without much more or even less utility than that. I would not expect, want, or take any more than one Retribution Paladin per 25-man, two tops, but come on, people... that's an improvement from before. That's enough.

I guess to trade for an inherant threat reduction you need to give up being able to tank in the 50s, I personally think that's a fair trade

My raids feel empty with less than 3 pallies. We QQ over not having Salv, Wis and Kings on the locks.

Retadins don't get 3% crit, though. Or, rather, it's not exclusive to them... being as it now requires a very minor side-spec into Ret to pick up, Holyadins can easily snag and apply it.