So I'm getting Ice Lance...Follow

Whenever you nova or frostbite procs, fire another fb and as soon as fb casts, launch an ice lance. If you have shatter, which you probably should, hopefully they both will crit. Basically before the nerf, people would get 3-4 ice lance crits in a row on a frozen target and pvpers cried about it and blizz changed it.

I still don't understand why blizz can't just apply nerfs to pvp and not pve.

At one point Freeze was super nerfed were a crit from ANY player would cause it to break. It's since been changed however to hold until YOU crit. Point being that once your Nova/Frostbite Procs take the time to wind up a frostbolt and then ice lance. Also, if you are into Marcos and addons and such, a latency indication addon (Quartz) along w/ a /stopcasting;/cast icelance marcro will help you land this everytime at almost ANY distance from your frozen target.

Did not know that...Sweet!!

Because then kiting would require absolutely no skill at all.

Just to add, how much is ice lance affected by spell damage, because ice lance critting on a frozen target with additional spell damage seems very high to me.

Also, Ice Lance is an effective way to get Winter's Chill stacked up fairly quickly. I was surprised to find this one out, but I love it.

And about the Frostbolt/Ice Lance combo against Frozen Targets, make sure you have a little bit of distance to really pull it off; I've noticed that it doesn't hit nearly as often when I'm at point-blank range. About 15 yards should be perfect, I suggest straffing away instead of turning and running or simply backing up.

Ice Lance is cool for a few reasons:
- It's your only real instant dmg spell. Other are short ranged or have a cooldown.
- It's cheap.
- for all the reasons mentioned, like double critting or winter's chill apllying.

It basically increases your ability to deal damage on the move by a lot, because now you can run around just hitting the Ice Lance key. Sure, it's not POM-Pyro, not even a scorch, but it's something you can always do, every 1,5 sec, doesn't matter if you're running from or after your target.

Besides, rank 1 frostbolts were good enough to do it for me in my day when I had to walk fifteen miles to Molten Core in the snow uphill both ways and dagnabbit, they're good enough for you.

Now eat your prunes.

They can, and have (see CC changes); it's obvious then that Blizzard had reasons to change Ice Lance globally for PVE reasons as well.

Just to chime in,

Your chance to shatter or triple damage against a frozen target is done at the time YOU CAST. If when you cast the spell (i.e. it shoots out of your hands) the target is frozen, then you will get to have the shatter chance / or triple damage ice lance.

So by casting frost bolt then quickly casting icelance via macro, what is really happening is you are firing off the ice lance before the frost bolt arrives to the target and breaks the freeze.

So take this into account with your water elemental too.

Here is a 3 hit insta combo:

1) Summon WE.
2) Start casting your frost bolt.
3) When frost bolt ALMOST done casting, use WE's freeze to freeze the target.
4) Using quartz/macro, cast ice lance.


If you do this correctly, your WE will shoot its frostbolt, you will shoot yours , AND fire ice lance off.

All three will get the chance to shatter b/c they were all casted while the target was still frozen. This also makes it not possible for pvp'ers to trinket/escape out of the freeze b/c they get hit litteraly .5 seconds after freeze with three spells.

There are videos by evertras explaining this prolly much better than i did.

/.02 cents