Well as my Disney title states, 67 levels into my Warrior, and about 40 levels using a 2H... I think I'm going back to Dual Wielding.
I got a pretty nice sword from Manatombs the other night, so I started thinking how much I'm not a huge fan of 2H weapon delay waiting. So I tested it out last night.
Since I was starting the Mastery quests, I had plenty of test subjects (tabuks, birds, clefthoofs) 0/30 each. I do 15 mobs with my 2H, I do nice with my UB quest mushroom... I eat/bandage about every 3rd'ish fight. I then changed to my blue sword and greenien rapier that only gives +dodge and 15 stamina.
I was loving it. Even with out Imp. DW talents, I was still killing fast. I went thru about 5-6 mobs before I was 1/2 HP (sorry I did not write my findings out or take numerical stats). I absolutely can't wait to get a good off hand weapon. I'm also thinking about moving my non-protect talents to try to get Imp. D.W. and still be slightly protect.
Anyone 60+ wanna discuss what you're using? Also, why you're using it: Have you tested, you think it's better, you know it's better, etc.
Thanks for any suggestions.
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Well i have my Thunder for 2-h damage but i also carry my drakefist hammer, an offhand mace and a fistweapon for the off-hand.
I never really took the time or effort to check which is best or quicker but i really love the dw.
Its much more fun to kill an mob, especially when you need to kill more then 1 like you mastery quests.
I am in fact a prot. specc warrior doing dailies and sometimes dw or sometimes bursting. Currently i'm lvlling my fistweapon skill due to a drop one of the tempest keep instances.
I never really took the time or effort to check which is best or quicker but i really love the dw.
Its much more fun to kill an mob, especially when you need to kill more then 1 like you mastery quests.
I am in fact a prot. specc warrior doing dailies and sometimes dw or sometimes bursting. Currently i'm lvlling my fistweapon skill due to a drop one of the tempest keep instances.
I'm not surprised at your results Gyff. I've used two handers 3 separate times on my War after I learned DW. Every single time DW outperformed it, even when I was specced arms0o. Not to mention I'm talking before +hit gear, and I still kill much faster DW than with that big boring two hander.
well, DW grants more dps so it's no surprise you are killing things faster.
The only thing I don't like about DW is the 24% (I think) chance to miss... all them Miss miss miss words popping up instead of numbers gets frustrated.
Ah thanks guys. I thought I was going crazy. Tonight when I get home, I think I'm going to change out of Protect spec'd. I still got one hella long road of rep. grinding, and questing to do. I think I'm going to complete all that then change to full protect (in about 1 or 2 weeks).
Yeah, 2h is pretty boring. The crits are amazing when they happen, but I'll take the steady DW DPS. I'll still keep a 2H'er in my bag (from instances)... but I think I'm going to wrap up leveling as DW.
*Note* I've been fighting that and spec questions for 67 levels lol.
Edited, Oct 18th 2007 5:10pm by GYFFORD
Yeah, 2h is pretty boring. The crits are amazing when they happen, but I'll take the steady DW DPS. I'll still keep a 2H'er in my bag (from instances)... but I think I'm going to wrap up leveling as DW.
*Note* I've been fighting that and spec questions for 67 levels lol.
Edited, Oct 18th 2007 5:10pm by GYFFORD
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*Note* I've been fighting that and spec questions for 67 levels lol.
Lol, I think war is one of those classes that does that to you. I've respecced on my 50 lvs of war about 8 times now, thats more than I've respecced my lock in the past 9 months lol.
If I'm arms/fury I usually use a 2h, but when d/w fury spec, I use 1h's. Even when I'm not fury spec I still use the 2h, only because I think I know how to efficiently use the talents to my advantage so the 3.7 delay doesn't kill the time. When running instances I rather go d/w unless i'm the 2h fury build.
PvP is a different story no matter the spec (I use 2h). Check my armory, I'm d/w spec, but I have imp slam. I just like it better than spamming HS. Anyway, I wanted to try out D/W fury with a 2h, so I did it in AB and I was number 1 with killing blows and Damage Done. I had 29 KB's and over 300k dmg done, the next closest person in DMG done was in the 150k's area. Gah I love pvp. I was whacking a mage for white crits for over 2k, it was great. I wish I could have fraps'd it.
All in all, its up to the person but d/w does fill the void that there is when using a 2h. But, if you like big numbers, the 2h is the way to go and is pretty much more viable in pvp.
PvP is a different story no matter the spec (I use 2h). Check my armory, I'm d/w spec, but I have imp slam. I just like it better than spamming HS. Anyway, I wanted to try out D/W fury with a 2h, so I did it in AB and I was number 1 with killing blows and Damage Done. I had 29 KB's and over 300k dmg done, the next closest person in DMG done was in the 150k's area. Gah I love pvp. I was whacking a mage for white crits for over 2k, it was great. I wish I could have fraps'd it.
All in all, its up to the person but d/w does fill the void that there is when using a 2h. But, if you like big numbers, the 2h is the way to go and is pretty much more viable in pvp.
*update*
Well I took the plunge. Totally respec'd. All Fury/Arms.
It's like leveling lvs 1-5 again. I'm running through mobs. With Bloodthirst and getting a small amound of HP back per fight on top of the haste and extra damage abilities, it's crazy.
I only wish Rampage was not 30 second buff, maybe like a 2 min. It's just a PITA to keep Rampaging after every crit.
That respec and weapon style change totally renewed my outlook on the coming up quests and rep. grinds. I'm actually looking forward to Shadowmoon and Area 52, where before I was a bit hesitant.
Oh yeah, and went through a 1/2 exp bar last night, dinged 68. It was amazing, totally different toon now.
Well I took the plunge. Totally respec'd. All Fury/Arms.
It's like leveling lvs 1-5 again. I'm running through mobs. With Bloodthirst and getting a small amound of HP back per fight on top of the haste and extra damage abilities, it's crazy.
I only wish Rampage was not 30 second buff, maybe like a 2 min. It's just a PITA to keep Rampaging after every crit.
That respec and weapon style change totally renewed my outlook on the coming up quests and rep. grinds. I'm actually looking forward to Shadowmoon and Area 52, where before I was a bit hesitant.
Oh yeah, and went through a 1/2 exp bar last night, dinged 68. It was amazing, totally different toon now.
Well it's not surprising that you're leveling faster as a fury build than you did as a prot warrior. All of those people who claim that they can solo/level as well with Prot as Arms or Fury are either high or have crazy end-game DPS gear that they've gotten because no one else needed/wanted it.
What exactly was your spec before switching? If you were full prot, there's no doubt that using a 2 hander would be boring. You simply don't have any attacks. No instant 2h attack means that you're simply slamming after every auto-attack and using HS if you need to dump rage.
Personally I really like the 35/5/21 build using a 2h weapon. I leveled toward this build from 60-70 (starting at 31/5/15) and loved it. I could solo fine, and had all the talents in the prot tree to still be able to tank anything with ease.
Saying that 2 handers are boring with a full prot build is kinda unfair. Try a 31/30 build if you really want to give it a fair shake.
Just my thoughts.
What exactly was your spec before switching? If you were full prot, there's no doubt that using a 2 hander would be boring. You simply don't have any attacks. No instant 2h attack means that you're simply slamming after every auto-attack and using HS if you need to dump rage.
Personally I really like the 35/5/21 build using a 2h weapon. I leveled toward this build from 60-70 (starting at 31/5/15) and loved it. I could solo fine, and had all the talents in the prot tree to still be able to tank anything with ease.
Saying that 2 handers are boring with a full prot build is kinda unfair. Try a 31/30 build if you really want to give it a fair shake.
Just my thoughts.
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What exactly was your spec before switching? If you were full prot, there's no doubt that using a 2 hander would be boring. You simply don't have any attacks. No instant 2h attack means that you're simply slamming after every auto-attack and using HS if you need to dump rage.
Bingo.
T.Clap, Demo. shout, Swing, Saunder (x5), Rend, Swing for rage, swing for rage, then start the non-Imp slam or Heroic strike when I'm feeling wild.
I would pray for a Dodge so my Imp. Overpower would Proc. Nice crit on that. Oh I was mostly Protect spec. Had some in Arms (Imp. Charge, Imp. T.Clap, Anger Management, etc).
Go figure last night when I respec'd I got 3 people asking me to do Manatomb, Sek Halls, even Old Hillsbrad
Until I told them I just respec'd for leveling reasons. Edited, Oct 19th 2007 3:30pm by GYFFORD
assuming the groups aren't stupid you can still tank damn near any non-heroic instance with relative ease if you're adequately geared for it
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Saying that 2 handers are boring with a full prot build is kinda unfair. Try a 31/30 build if you really want to give it a fair shake.
I concur, but I'm also slightly biased because I flat refuse to DW on Warrior. I have a Rogue for that; I'd rather smash something's face in with a nice big 2h. :P
Also...just a minor thing...
Sunder, not saunder. *twitch*
And sunder is a waste of rage in solo play. As is Rend.
Edited, Oct 19th 2007 4:47pm by Norellicus
echoing what russki said...
i dont understand why a lot of people still insist or hanging on to the idea you HAVE to be prot specced to tank near any non-heroic instances. fury/arms spec can tank just fine.
i dont understand why a lot of people still insist or hanging on to the idea you HAVE to be prot specced to tank near any non-heroic instances. fury/arms spec can tank just fine.
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Sunder, not saunder. *twitch
Ooops... man I've been spelling it wrong since I picked up Warrior
I hate when I do stuff like that lol, I guess I never paid attention. Sunder. Ok it's locked now
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assuming the groups aren't stupid you can still tank damn near any non-heroic instance with relative ease if you're adequately geared for it
Edited, Oct 19th 2007 6:10pm by GYFFORD
you're a warrior, warriors can tank. Same when I was leveling my druid past 60. Are you resto? "I'm a healer class, I can heal. period." I healed from 60-66 in all instances (leveling about 60% through instances) while being feral specced. Ofcourse, I tanked a lot of them as well, but I had the healing gear to heal. Most people ended up shocked when I told them I was feral.
Moral of the story, don't tell them things they don't ask. Can you tank? YES, if they as are you prot specced, that's another issue. Most people however, don't care about that. I use the excuse of "nope, dps specced" all the time when random people pm me to tank stuff for them :p
Moral of the story, don't tell them things they don't ask. Can you tank? YES, if they as are you prot specced, that's another issue. Most people however, don't care about that. I use the excuse of "nope, dps specced" all the time when random people pm me to tank stuff for them :p
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