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The fact that you are dying can mean a few things:

You pull too much aggro or your tank doesn't hold enough aggro.
As a fire mage it's easy to overaggro. What is it that u do in a raid/instance? Your spell sequence i mean?

As for your talent i would suggest taking the imp. Scorch.
When a fight starts, wait for 2 or 3 sunders and then start spamming scorch. Keep a close look at the threat meter, if u have room and want to (i prefer scorch over fireball, because of the higher crit chance and the short cast time and low mana cost) You can start to nuke with fireball and then an occasional scorch to keep the fire vulnarability up. If you still are way below the tank you can even throw in an occasional fireblast (after the mob goes below 20% it gets better)

Pyroblast i never use in a raid/instance, same goes for blastwave.
Your spec seems fine (altough i would change it a little, i use 10/48/3 without blast wave and pyro) But the things i would change have nothing to do with the question asked here so i won't go into that now.

You just have to check for yourself if the problem is the tank's aggro management or yours. And if you think real hard i'm sure you already know the answer.

Hope this helped

I would suggest Omen instead of KTM. Omen handles multiple mobs individually, whereas KTM lumps them all in together. Plus KTM is one of the biggest memory hogs there is... >.>

Be sure you're giving the tanks at least 3-4 seconds of aggro time before unloading, assuming he started with charge/bloodrage. If he started without any rage, give him a few more seconds. If you pull aggro, don't cast for a second or two after the tank taunts or you'll just pull aggro again.
Aggro might be tough for you, you've got better gear than most level 61's it looks like - 27% crit and +400dmg? Most people don't start getting those numbers for at least a few levels :P

EDIT: Another thing. Dropping Fire Blast out of your rotation completely might be a good idea. A Fireball/Blast right next to each other is a huge spike in aggro, one that many tanks won't be able to handle, whereas just Fireballs is much smoother aggro gain. Omen/KTM will help determine how much you can actually do.

Edited, Oct 17th 2007 11:23am by lsfreak

Well, once i buff up with Adepts elixir, oil and food, i have around 500 spell damage and 29% crit chance. I usually die when more mobs are tanked at once. Also, i often rip aggro from tank.


My spell sequence is:


Vengance of the illidari (My trinket, is usually up for every group of mobs), > Fire blast > Fire ball > Fire ball > Fire blast > Blast wave > Dragons breath (To AOE them) > Fire blast. Usually, ignite stays on due to the instants, ignites ticking for 1k+ aren't uncomon due to that.

I'll have over 31% crit with all that next level due to molten armor...

Also, sometimes i use arcane missles (I always have a damn lot of mana. As in, i can AM a lot and still have enough mana.. I have around 7 k mana, i can tap my robe for mana, and i use 5-20 super potions per inst when i happen to run out.

I never pop trinkets unless it is for a boss, the fights are too short and you don't have enough time to let the tank build aggro before the entire boss is down. It also seems that you are using some very aggro-ish spells (fireblast is a big one, blastwave+dragons breath are AoE which will easily pull aggro). In 5-mans I generally scorch down enemies after letting the tank get about 5-8k threat, for bosses I let them get around 10k threat until I start, and only about 5 spells in do I pop a trinket to make sure that I am not riding their curtails incase I crit too many times in a row.

little off topic but, Do you really think u need +spell damage food and + spell damage flasks for normal instances?. If your having a problem with over agro lose all the +spell damage buffs ( not really needed unless raiding ) Also try waiting longer to engage the mobs dont start scorching until 90%. Those little things shud keep your agro manageable thus keeping you alive.

PVE is easy, quit being a damage meter *****. The game is easy, look what mob your tank is hitting, dps that mob, watch your aggro. If you keep dying because you rip aggro, its your own fault, learn to deal with it or become a smart mage and stop pulling aggro.

What's been said. Using elixirs is just making your situation worse. That kind of dedication to making yourself better would be welcome in 25-mans, not in 5-mans. Also, AoE'ing in ANY situation like that is a bad idea, unless you regularly run with a good pally tank. AoE in 5-mans is about the worst thing you can do except in specific fights.

Also, for your 25-man spec... 10/48/3. It IS the highest damage. Others work, it just works better :P

don't plan on buying AH epics. Save that money for leveling up a profession like tailoring or alchemy (or whatever). You will also need a good amount of money for gems, enchants, etc.

Addramelech, two things.

One: You must have made an enemy somewhere. I've found a number of your recent posts all at sub-default score, when they are neutral, friendly, helpful, and/or interesting, and not in any way meriting a rate down. I've rated the ones I've seen so far back into default or decent, but just warning you, someone doesn't like you here.

Two: Your damage output and your strive for perfecting yourself is amazing. However, groups require people in it to work as a group. Your damage is too amazing for your level. In outdoor PvE encounters, I am guessing that this works great. But yes, you're going to rip aggro off the tank easily with this because all the talents you have chosen just increase damage.

I'm going to assume that you're a Outdoor PvE/5-Man-Instance player. For that, I'd really recommend dropping all three points of Playing with Fire, and putting them in Master of Elements. With your 29% crit chance, you will be getting lots of mana returns. Going under the guess that you still want to destroy in outdoor questing, I'm not going to tell you to drop more damage talents, but I'd recommend getting Blazing Speed until once you hit 70, where you can go for a more suitable raiding spec. Blazing Speed I find really useful when something goes wrong outdoors.

You may not want to give up your damage, but you'll find yourself sitting doing very little while you wait for the tank to get more aggro so you can cast your next spell. As a 70 fire mage in all quest-reward blues, I went into a ramshackle Mana Tombs PuG with a 65 Fury Warrior tanking (they were all desperate to get the run done). I recently started using KTM, and I found myself wanding every 2 casts because my DPS was too good for the Fury Warrior to hold aggro on one mob, let alone a couple.

In addition to what Anobix has said, I think Addramelech's karma is down to a point where default is well, his default.

As others have said, take Improved Scorch.

You should never use AOE in instances Unless you have non elites with low/medium HP.

High DPS potential doesnt do you any good unless you have a good tank and/or give him a chance to get good aggro and/or use your spells smartly.