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#1 Oct 15 2007 at 6:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Excuse my lack of knowledge on Hunters. I play a rogue and sometimes Paladin.
First let me give a little background on my Hunter experience (Little to none). I have only taken my Hunter to 23. I was kinda bored with it so I was concentrating on my Rogue, level 49.

Now story time:

So I am in the Hinterlands questing and I am doing the Snapjaw quest and also looking for the Elite snapjaw, Grim something or other. I find him and I believe he is level 48 or 49. I stealth, stun lock yadda yadda yadda. I'm wailing away and its laughing at me. It proceeds to tear me a new one. I vanish and go to lick my wounds. No problem, it happens. I have learned to level a bit and come back for it later or get help in my Rogue life. So while I am resting up and thinking about if I did something wrong, or perhaps taking a different approach, Along comes 46 Dranei Hunter. She proceeds to kill this "Elite" 2 or 3 levels above her with seemingly little effort.

Is this normal for a hunter? If so I am in love. I may have to break out my 23 huntard and get to leveling. I was just very impressed that a class 3 levels lower than me just wtfpwned something that just demolished my rogue.
#2 Oct 15 2007 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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Yes, hunters are great at soloing elites, even better since mend pet got an improvement. Based on your level, I'll assume you weren't here before, but mend pet used to be a 5 second channel, where we couldn't do anything but heal. Now with it being an HoT, soloing elites is easy.

At level 20 on my hunter, I took out a dark iron in wetlands. Those guys are level 28, I may add. Of course, I didn't do it with "ease", I had to kite the darn thing, but I still did it. The deal with hunters, especially beastmastery hunters, is you in essence are a 2-man group, one hybrid DPS/healer and one tank. Only you have the total DPS of one player. However, I doubt an arms warrior and shadow priest would go too much faster.

Anyway, as far as soloing tough fights go, hunters are one of the best. You could also try a paladin. On mine I've taken on 4 yellow elites or 9 yellow non-elites in one fight.
Warlocks are pretty good, too, because if you pull far enough back you can feardot the enemy and he'll never reach you.
If they hadn't nerfed mage AoE I'd say that would be one of the best for handling tough fights, if you know how to play your class. But a frost mage can still solo some pretty tough battles.
I've seen videos of hunters, warlocks, and mages soloing these uber hard fights. I've seen evidence of paladins doing them. But melee classes, like rogues, warriors, etc are going to have a much harder time soloing the tougher challenges.
#3 Oct 15 2007 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
As stated , This is one of the Hunter's Strongest points.

It is really Agro balancing.
Your pet Tanks and keeps Agro while you DPS, Once your pet gets low on health you can give him a break to catch up on the HOT of Mend pet by taking Agro and kiting the elite until your pet is full healed again. The Pet re-enters the fight and the Hunter feigns Death, giving the pet agro again.

Rinse and Repeat until Elite mob dies and coughs up Phat lootz.
#4 Oct 15 2007 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I solo alot so I thought the Rogue Stealth, Vanish etc... would be the best class for me. I am really starting to rethink this. I have a NE and BE hunter alts as well as a BE paladin. I may have to break one of these out and get it up to my Rogues level and compare.

The pally though, it seems like I bore the mob to death rather than kill it. Although I am guessing the pally would be more in demand than my rogue or hunter for instances?

Anyways that was an ingame moment where I was just really impressed by another class. That hunter was pretty impressive. /salute to all you hunters.

Thanks for the info Skribs.
#5 Oct 15 2007 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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Well, it depends how you play the paladin, too. If you go at level 10 with a sword and shield, yeah it will take a while. But paladins are surprisingly fast with a 2H (my friend and I are in the 39 bracket on my warrior and his pally, and he drops me FAST...but then again he knows how to play his class really well), and once you hit the 30-40 level range you can AoE grind, where you use holy shield, BoSanc, Ret Aura, and (if you have it) a shield spike and basically kill the mobs with reflective damage. Yeah, you still "bore them to death"...but you do it en masse. Something like Dr. Phil does.
#6 Oct 15 2007 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
On a different note, your paladin won't really shine until you hit 35+. That's where you can specc Protection and start AoE killing the mobs. Just aggro a nice big group of Mobs your own level, and watch all those little ticks of damage amount to a decently high DPS. You do damage whenever they hit you, when you block, when you hit, when your Consecration ticks and whenever you Judge them with something. With the right geartype and right specc, you can AoE grind alot of mobs at a time.

If you also get two sets of gear, Tanking/AoEgrinding gear and Healing gear, you got two different options in Instances. You can heal just fine as Protection in any pre-70 instance, and you can also Tank should the group decide not to be prejudiced little twats.

Don't give up your Paladin just yet, for when you feel like playing an alt. They do become fun after a while.
#7 Oct 15 2007 at 8:44 AM Rating: Decent
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If only I could name my Pally "Drphil" lol.

I think its time to do some WoW soul searching and pick a main so I can get ready before the next expansion.

Thanks again all of you for the info. Time to level a Hunter and Pally for awhile.
#8 Oct 15 2007 at 8:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thinking about getting a pally simply because of the awesome AOE tanking :)

Did a Heroic BM were there was nobody on adds, Pally tank just took them all, took us maybe 30 minutes and no whipes for a first time Heroic run of BM.
#9 Oct 15 2007 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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Well, I'd read the FAQs on all of the class forums here. See what are some of the advantages and disadvantages of each class. See what playstyles they use. See what they bring to solo play (is it uber CC like a mage, ability to kill several-level-higher elites like a hunter, ability to solo fearable world bosses like a warlock, ability to handle a number of enemies without CC like a pally, etc).
Also find out what the stereotypes are for certain classes (e.g. rogues/hunters known as loot ninjas), how easy it will be to find a group, if you find a group how likely you are to get into a roll you dont like (e.g. I made a druid I wanted to heal on, every group needed a tank; or how I dont really like trapping - I can do it, it's just one extra thing to worry about - but I always end up doing that on my hunter). While you may not fit a stereotype, it's good to know what they are, because that may affect you finding a group later.
#10 Oct 15 2007 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just managed to kill that elite snapjaw on my 51 Rogue (62hp left). I'm not the best Rogue though so part of it might have been just some good lucky crits. I haven't tried him on my 45 Hunter yet but I swear that my Hunter can do amazing things against elites and higher level mobs. I find that most 'standard' elites my level are relatively easy but I've really been impressed with my Hunter's ability to handle multiple mobs his own level and mobs that are much higher level especially since my pets (I'm trying to keep two leveled) are usually a couple of levels below me and the mobs are often 'red' to them and have a lot of trouble holding aggro.

I know that my 70 Warrior will always be the one most in demand but I'm going to take my 45 Hunter to 70 just because he's so much fun to play. :)
#11 Oct 15 2007 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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That is what most hunters are good at....soloing. I was soloing elite mobs 3-4 levels higher than me with little to no problem at all, and using King Bang at the time. Beast Mastery is your friend for this, cause your pet will have sooo much armor, and attack buffs, that he can take out pretty much anything with decent healing (mend pet), and your support fire.
#12 Oct 15 2007 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
Just a word of warning though on Hunters.

There are a ton of us out there.
While we excel at soloing, be prepared to be prejudged, A lot.

If you have plans for end game (raiding) you will need to be able to play the class to it's fullest to prove your worth. I have been in several raiding guilds that will not even look at mediocre hunter, where a mediocre healer would get some slack.

I am not stating this to discourage you, rather to encourage you to learn the class and play it like a pro.


I remember my "Test" for a guild was the Moroes fight and I had to keep the Arms Warrior trapped. I had never seen this fight and I blew the raid away because I was #3 on DPS and still had him trapped after the fight. I didn't know to run out to the stairs for him to reset. Smiley: lol
I spoke up on vent with "Umm, guys? you forgetting something?"
We had a good laugh but they were extremely impressed with my dps and trapping.
That earned me my spot in future raids, while there were others that didn't do as well or seem to care. so they were left behind.

I'd say ditch the Rogue and join the ranks of the Best and most fun class out there!

Edited, Oct 15th 2007 2:41pm by dbernor
#13 Oct 15 2007 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I think I am going to do that. I don't plan on raiding but who knows what the future holds. I Just picked up some nice Purples in the Hinterlands from questing with the rogue that may fit my hunter very nicely. I want to get a Ghost Saber and a Rotting Agam'ar for pets.

Now I just need to decide wether I want to take the BE or NE up for leveling.

I am starting to get excited about WoW again.
#14 Oct 15 2007 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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Now I just need to decide wether I want to take the BE or NE up for leveling


The NE does have the Shadowmeld ability. I LOVE this!
I really feel it fits perfectly with the Hunter class. It's a great way to Ambush.
#15 Oct 15 2007 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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As for soloing mobs with kiting and such (since I am still trying to learn to jumpshot) I found a video with a nice explination of how it's done...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khy-xKsNr7U
#16 Oct 16 2007 at 2:20 AM Rating: Good
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Deadd wrote:
So I am in the Hinterlands questing and I am doing the Snapjaw quest and also looking for the Elite snapjaw, Grim something or other. I find him and I believe he is level 48 or 49. I stealth, stun lock yadda yadda yadda. I'm wailing away and its laughing at me. It proceeds to tear me a new one. I vanish and go to lick my wounds. No problem, it happens. I have learned to level a bit and come back for it later or get help in my Rogue life. So while I am resting up and thinking about if I did something wrong, or perhaps taking a different approach, Along comes 46 Dranei Hunter. She proceeds to kill this "Elite" 2 or 3 levels above her with seemingly little effort.

Is this normal for a hunter? If so I am in love. I may have to break out my 23 huntard and get to leveling. I was just very impressed that a class 3 levels lower than me just wtfpwned something that just demolished my rogue.

The quest is Gammerita, Mon! , and it can be a challenging solo even for a Hunter. As a Rogue, you're facing a mob with a huge Armor value, so using whatever Rogue tactics you find to work against Warriors may help you win here. Or, a friend. :)

A Hunter has a Pet to DOT Gammerita and tank, Stings, Traps, Scare Beast, and a HOT Pet healer. If the Pet gets in trouble (i.e if Scare Beast doesn't just let you fear kite until you win), it's fairly easy to drop a Frost Trap and grab aggro, using the Frost Trap and then Concussive Shot to kite while the Pet heals up. Refreshing the Mend Pet does not require LOS, so it can be cast while running without even requiring any jump shot skills. Once the Pet is healed (and it'll have been doing some damage while you run) the Hunter can let it re-take aggro, Scare Beast, and finish the fight.
#17 Oct 16 2007 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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ive fought higher level elites before as a rogue. Made me depressed to see hunters do it more easily, compared to how food/buff/skill intensive it was for me to do...
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