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With the new patch comming up, how will YOU deal with the talents Sweeping Strikes and Deathwish switching places in talent trees?
It seems to me blizzard is making the fury warrior more AoE viable. With the buff to DW Whirlwind and now sweeping strikes moving in, I feel that fury warriors are going to be the melee AoE.
Honestly, it doesnt seem to be too big of a difference to me. It may hurt a bit on boss fights, but it will help on anything else. I think it also gives Arms a bit more single-target damage for PvE and another CC prevention for PvP.
Then again, I dont play a high-end warrior, so it may be a bigger difference than I think.
Honestly, it doesnt seem to be too big of a difference to me. It may hurt a bit on boss fights, but it will help on anything else. I think it also gives Arms a bit more single-target damage for PvE and another CC prevention for PvP.
Then again, I dont play a high-end warrior, so it may be a bigger difference than I think.
But raids aren't mostly about trash mobs. It's more about the bosses...
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Honestly, it doesnt seem to be too big of a difference to me. It may hurt a bit on boss fights, but it will help on anything else.
What else is there except boss fights that matters in pve? Don't forget that fury IS a "pve" spec.
Seriously, you can't AoE much in trash mobs in raids anyway since there are CC and breaking it would be bad. Sweeping Strikes in uncontrollable unlike Cleave.
If anything, farming will be a little more fun with sweeping strikes. Deathwish isn't solo-friendly, but sweeping strikes definitely is. And in the odd-cases when you are able to hit a tanked mob and an offtanked mob is near-by during trash in parties or raids, sweeping strikes+cleave would be mega-efficient.
If a person isn't going to raid, would they even bother speccing fury anyway?
Well, fury is generally considered to be the fastest grinding spec at 70, and one of the better leveling specs after level 55.
I'm not really phased by this.
Sweeping strikes will be welcomes into my fury tree as far as i'm concerned, as i mostly solo. I Rarely use deathwish. Sweeping strikes + Imp Cleave + Whirlwind on the moroes fight when the last mini-boss is nearby will be DPs awesomesauce in my book.
And yes this change actually makes imp cleave a viable talent in a build now.
Sweeping strikes will be welcomes into my fury tree as far as i'm concerned, as i mostly solo. I Rarely use deathwish. Sweeping strikes + Imp Cleave + Whirlwind on the moroes fight when the last mini-boss is nearby will be DPs awesomesauce in my book.
And yes this change actually makes imp cleave a viable talent in a build now.
But look at it from an raider's point of view...
I am also looking at it from a raiders PoV.
At the moment you can't really use deathwish every time it's up because there's a high chance you'll pull aggro.
They most likely moved it so that you can't have it up every time the CD's down, as would be the case with the -10% threat addition to Imp zerker
At the moment you can't really use deathwish every time it's up because there's a high chance you'll pull aggro.
They most likely moved it so that you can't have it up every time the CD's down, as would be the case with the -10% threat addition to Imp zerker
It's still better than a skill you would NEVER USE IN PVE!
Sweeping strikes?
A skill you'd never use in PvE?
How in the hell did you get it in your head that you would never use Sweeping Strikes in PvE?
A skill you'd never use in PvE?
How in the hell did you get it in your head that you would never use Sweeping Strikes in PvE?
I can use Death Wish every time it's up and not pull aggro.
I cheat a bit with an Enhancement Shaman totem twisting Tranquil Air, but it works. I ran 1732 DPS according to SWS (which does NOT only record DPS for the time you're engaged, unlike WWS) on Gorefiend tonight and didn't pull aggro off my tank.
You'll use Sweeping Strikes in PvE, but it's not something you get much (any) real use out of in raids outside of some specialized bosses or trash. It's certainly not a replacement for Death Wish.
I cheat a bit with an Enhancement Shaman totem twisting Tranquil Air, but it works. I ran 1732 DPS according to SWS (which does NOT only record DPS for the time you're engaged, unlike WWS) on Gorefiend tonight and didn't pull aggro off my tank.
You'll use Sweeping Strikes in PvE, but it's not something you get much (any) real use out of in raids outside of some specialized bosses or trash. It's certainly not a replacement for Death Wish.
For 31/30 33/28 builds it changes nothing. You will still have DW and SS.
And there is none other raid valible build that includes MS in it.
And there is none other raid valible build that includes MS in it.
Not talking about MS warriors, this is about Blizzard ******** up Deep Fury warriors.
Dude, your original question was "how would YOU deal with the switch", you're receiving accounts from posters on how they will be dealing with it, and you're shooting them down at every reply !!!
Yes, Fury IS getting a nerf from a raid perspective, but from a PvE Solo perspective, it's a buff ... nothing like being able to take out more mobs at once while doing that awful "Collect x items from y mob". From a tanking perspective (for all specs), it's a buff. From a PvP perspective, it's a buff (assuming you're spec'ing arms .. but who specs fury to PvP anyway).
Ultimately, it's a Buff for 3 of the major aspects of warrior play, and a nerf for 1. So it's "3 step forward, 1 step back" ... which I'll take anyday.
Oh, hang on, I don't raid, I Solo quest/level/farm, and I PvP, so it's 2/2 buffs for me ;-) ... That's how I'm dealing with it.
Yes, Fury IS getting a nerf from a raid perspective, but from a PvE Solo perspective, it's a buff ... nothing like being able to take out more mobs at once while doing that awful "Collect x items from y mob". From a tanking perspective (for all specs), it's a buff. From a PvP perspective, it's a buff (assuming you're spec'ing arms .. but who specs fury to PvP anyway).
Ultimately, it's a Buff for 3 of the major aspects of warrior play, and a nerf for 1. So it's "3 step forward, 1 step back" ... which I'll take anyday.
Oh, hang on, I don't raid, I Solo quest/level/farm, and I PvP, so it's 2/2 buffs for me ;-) ... That's how I'm dealing with it.
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Please note that they are changing improved berzerker stance to reduce threat by additional 10%, so it a raiders perspective you will most likely earn on it. I've read somewhere that the buff to WW is giving more the the loss of Deathwish, but I can't point on any source here, sry. Also don't undestimade the ability to bring down trash faster, and if you can't controle your sweeping strike to not hit cc:ed mobs i suggest that you start training you skill with it. I cleave around cc as tank often, and I don't find any problem with it. But honesty, the cc:ed mob should never be close to the tank so it should be no problem what so ever with sweeping strikes.
About how i will deal with the switch, well since all the talents i want for pvp is in the arms tree now i will be able to dip into protection as second tree and be fully capable to tank in non raid situations. Will be nice to have acces to mace mastery and second wind when tanking. :)
Hehe, I must say that the best thing with this is the combination of Sweeping Strikes and the improved WW, 4 hits on each mob with one attack ftw.
About how i will deal with the switch, well since all the talents i want for pvp is in the arms tree now i will be able to dip into protection as second tree and be fully capable to tank in non raid situations. Will be nice to have acces to mace mastery and second wind when tanking. :)
Hehe, I must say that the best thing with this is the combination of Sweeping Strikes and the improved WW, 4 hits on each mob with one attack ftw.
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From a PvP perspective, it's a buff (assuming you're spec'ing arms .. but who specs fury to PvP anyway).
It's not a PvP buff. It's not a PvP nerf either. MS warriors will see no change whatsoever, their talent distribution will stay the same. Only change for them will be DW and SS changing tabs in their spell book.
OK, fair enough. The point is that as an Arms PvP warrior, you have access to 2 PvP-centric abilities in the Arms tree, without having to go into the Fury tree. Granted, most will probably still go there anyway, but the option is now available to go elsewhere while still getting the abilities previously in fury. So if that's not a buff (I guess it isn't), then call it a "little bit of help".
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It's not a PvP buff. It's not a PvP nerf either. MS warriors will see no change whatsoever, their talent distribution will stay the same. Only change for them will be DW and SS changing tabs in their spell book.
My thoughts exactly. I for one almost never used deathwish until I'm on a boss fight, since threat is usually more solidly established during a long boss encounter than on a trash mob.
I was thinking this could turn out to be useful, because I feel sweeping strikes is awesome on trash. In a group of 6 mobs, I don't think all 5 are gonna be CC'ed. Even if you could, its overkill. Ideally, theres gonna be one tanked+dpsed down, one offtanked, and the others CCed. Sweeping strikes+two targets=tons'o'fun. And you're gonna spend more time clearing trash than kicking boss butt, usually.
True but the boss fight is where it counts. You never hear guilds complaining about how they are wiping on trash for a week. It's all about the main events so to speak.
Good point. Deathwish shines during those long boss fights. You can use DW, 2-3 times maybe on a good tank and spank.
The threat reduction from imp zerker will probably outweigh deathwish's loss, but I know I'll miss it. Having both deathwish and the new threat reduction would probably mean game-over for all other dps in the game though. hahaha
The threat reduction from imp zerker will probably outweigh deathwish's loss, but I know I'll miss it. Having both deathwish and the new threat reduction would probably mean game-over for all other dps in the game though. hahaha
Yha the patch on a whole is a buff. Don't get me wrong. Just that the DW move is a nerf and a half.
Just a kind of OT question, but pertains to this....Do we get talent points refunded to respec because of this? Or will we need to pay the full respec cost if we want to switch our build up after this change
we probably will get a free respec. usually when talent tree's are seriously changed (I think this warrants the term 'serious') we get our talent points refunded.
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