2.3 Possible Dead zone changesFollow

ok lets assume that the dead zone shouldnt be removed.Isn't be logical that in range distance we should be overpowered? I mean that if we stay and shoot in 30 yards,we should can kill every other race...but no!!!!!!even then we get killed by a lock very easy!!!who is overpowered then?
lock
1-curse of doom -instant-5000 damage over 60 sec
2-shadowfury-instant-800 damage
3-shadowburn-instant-700 damage
4-rain of fire-instant-1300 damage over 12 sec
5-death coil-instant-550 damage and 3 sec running
6-curse of agony-1400 damage over 24 sec
7-drain life---and we are dead
hunter
1-autoshot-2.5 sec-600 dam
2-autoshot-2.5-600 damag
3-arcane -instant -500 dam
etc..our pet versus his demon..still we dont have a chance..do what?just tell me..they just burn more damage than we can do even in a range distance!so in melee we suck,in ranged we are good but not the best...ok we can solo and solo and solo..at least(blizz) let us do more damage in range and keep the dead zone..we need 1 min to take down a warrior when he is AFK!!!!!!come on !!!

I personally will not miss the "dead zone"...being caught in a confined situation with no opportunity to get back to range...sucks...JMHO... ;)

I've been seriously thinking about the reprocussions of this.

It will have almost no effect on Warriors, Paladin's or Rogues as they are melee class and will try to keep us in melee range. Deadzone did nothing much for them. Maybe a place to run to while they froze us in a spot but they could never be certain we wouldn't trinket out of it. So, don't think much gained or lost here.

Toss ups would be druids and shaman, but they have either good stoppage of our best skills or other skills to counter us in our most effective zones. Some impact here but not much. Really only in the caster role do they lose anything.

Big losers appear to be mages and locks. They will still have one major advantage though, they can cast their highest stuff at point blank, we can't. We're still stuck between melee/ranged modes.

So, I can see the eval Blizz was probably doing, and they probably tested it against what they felt would be the biggest losers. So, it's my guess they were able to work out a change of tactics on the mage/lock side that let them function without the deadzone.

We might see a nerf of sorts but I think it may just be some abuse adjustments going on. A slower weapon swap would probably be appropriate to slow us down in the melee range changeover and stop any kind of dual mode abuse.

I'll keep thinking on this, but it might not be so bad...

Just a rumor about a rumor.

How were we going to hit them with wingclip if they were in our deadzone, exactly?

Your rage is misplaced. I don't know what arena you're playing - I'll admit up front that I'm not either.

But, in a discussion about this on another forum, someone quoted current top team arena populations. Hunters were 0% in two of the team categories, and 3% in 5v5. Meanwhile, 13% of level 70s are hunters, third to warriors and mages at 14%. (I checked warcraftrealms.com's census data for this.)



I'm unconvinced.

What the deadzone does it make it so getting out of their melee range isn't enough. The MS Warrior on my arena team has been playing WoW since the original pre-BC beta. We were talking about the proposed deadzone changes and he was saying that the deadzone is what makes Hunters a joke in PvP. No other class has a 2-3 yard circle around them in which they're functionally useless. A properly geared Rogue/Fire Mage has me beat in spades for burst dps, so it's not like Hunters are touting the most offensive power and need the dead zone to balance it.



I think that's the concern in a nutshell. We've still got a 5 yard bubble where we go from offensive to defensive, and if we can't get someone out of that bubble, we're dead. Removing the deadzone just makes that bubble a bit smaller.



Ya, it's called try and contain the situation with the Hunter in melee range where you're actually at some risk, instead of dancing in the deadzone where you're at no risk. At least if a caster is in melee range I can get a Wing Clip on them.



I'm not sure what you mean by weapon swapping or dual mode abuse. No Hunter in their right mind is going to choose to try and keep someone on the edge of the melee bubble. More to the point, it seems like Blizzard is staying away from nerfs that affect PvE too dramatically in their efforts to balance PvP. Slow the transition from ranged weapon to melee in a heroic instance and prevent me from getting a Wing Clip off when I need it and you've got a dead hunter.



A mediocre Fire Mage is still going to hurt you. Bad. Same with a Rogue or a Warlock or a Warrior. A mediocre Hunter is usually the first one to die. Blizzard can't base the balance of the game for PvP around what only the top PvPers are capable of. They have to balance it around the average Joe and make sure that they don't leave room for exploits for the top players.

I read some of the responses and tactics from people who don't like the idea of removing the deadzone and they make it sound so easy. What they leave out is that if even one thing goes wrong in their strategy, you die. It sounds so easy when you read their ideas on how to handle a certain situation, but in reality a PvP match is a contest of strategy/counterstrategy until someone is dead (assuming roughly equal gear). When so many jobs can so easily manipulate that 8 yard bubble around me to shut me down and my only recourse is to try and slow them long enough to get them out of that bubble, there's not much counterstrategy to be employed. More often than not, you wind up with a Hamstrung Hunter with traps and trinket on cooldown being chased by a Wing Clipped Warrior. Who do you think wins 9 out of 10 times?

I doubt it. I think they are trying to give Hunter a lil more PvP flexibility is all. There are addons that display your targeted distance, and if you are familiar with a Hunters dead-zone, you can literally stay in front of then at 6-7 yards, and take em apart peice by peice, I like the Deadzone removal idea, but I think there should be a dmg penalty, but a speed increase the closer a target it.

I talked to a GM yesterday about the whole making portals in BGs and he said that is being removed in 2.3 I said great but what is this crap I hear about them removing the Hunters Dead Zone. He said he plays a Shaman and would look it up.

He stated that in fact they are not ATM removing the Dead Zone for the hunter.

First off, why does this thread even exist? Go read the changes being made in 2.3 before posting something like 'they are removing the deadzone'...

And second, here are the changes, as of Oct 20th 2007 from the Main Site:


Other than that, the only good thing being changed is that there are going to be 20 slot quivers from grand master leatherworkers and 24 slot quivers added to rep rewards...and the ones for bullets as well.