2.3 Possible Dead zone changesFollow

The O boards are awash with posts about the dead zone Change and the general idea is this; The dead zone is being removed, however, that doesn't mean you'll be able to shoot people at point blank. Refer to diagram for more info (not to scale)

[--Melee--][-Deadzone-][------Ranged------------------] Old. Unbalanced
[--Melee--][------------------Ranged------------------] New. Balanced

I skimed the First 4 pages of the O boards and this is the general idea of how things will play out.

On a side note my GM is angry because this takes away the only advantage he had as a mage against us. So I might actually win a duel against him.

Edited, Oct 13th 2007 12:41pm by Pheared

Yeah, that and me now being able to dispel his Arcane Power means that he is most unpleased

I don't see anyone whining in this thread except you using such a tone that I can almost hear you shouting at 120+ decibels o.O

Having said that, dead zone makes no sense and was never needed, the only reason it was there before, according to Blizzard is that they had concerns that hunter could melee and range at same time. Besides this change only really affects us in Arena where we need a huge buff and most likely this wont be enough anyway, because of los issues. Of course finally I wont have to melee that one time I am forced to get into a corner in Khara because I couldn't get in range!! yay??? or the mage overagroes and decides to stay next to me ~ ~....

Edited, Oct 13th 2007 9:53am by Elustriel

Umm only mages ever could take advantage of our deadzone pretty much, and most Casters distance dance above our max range anyway. Besides hunters lack true burst dps and are the weakest pvp class in Arena at this point of time. Try using steady for pvp? Only time you can is when you are getting ignored and guess how often that happens? Your balancing our class in pvp means, being the weakest?

PLay with deadzone? It is no concern of mine, only way it affects me as a hunter is very few pve instances and not being a dead duck vs a mage.. geee ;p

Edited, Oct 13th 2007 10:12am by Elustriel

Edited, Oct 13th 2007 10:13am by Elustriel

We still can't shoot arrows in Melee range, this only affects the dead zone where we couldn't melee or use ranged. Which is still outside of melee range so, why can't we presumably use range in that area anyway? by your logic. Basically Blizz forgot about the issue and kept it for years, doesn't mean it was actually intended.

Edited, Oct 13th 2007 10:25am by Elustriel

Lol someone needs to eat another twinky and chill out. its just a game.


But if this change was to take place i for one would not like it. becuase hunters are made to kite and are made to have all the skills needed to keep people out of there dead zone. The only time hunters have issues with the dead zone is if they are new to the game. or they suck. anything other than that its just easy to deal with.

In fact i love seeing mele and casters get inside my dead zone at the start of a duel. and when i dont move they think im retarded. but a instant scatter shot to the face changes all that.

If they do remove the dead zone. i would not doubt that they would really cripple some of our mob controling stuff to make up for it, like concussive shot and wing clip and scatter shot. and that would suck.

So they should leave the deadzone alone.

Keep the deadzone!
I like how I am setup right now and I don't want to get nerfed just because some huntards cant figure out how to kite, trap, or wingclip.

As hunters our class has so much potential, all we need to do is match it with skill.

In the arena even 1v1 hunters are kick ***. We have 6 cc options... Traps, wingclip, wyvren sting, scattershot, intimidate (2 sec is plenty time to get out of melee), and scare beast (anti hunter/druids).

A properly speced hunter in arena can turn a 3v3 battle into a 3v1, and a 5v5 into 5v2-3.
Likewise a properly speced hunter in 1v1, can kite infinitively with snake/frost trap, wingclip, intimidation, scatter shot. And we have ability's like traps and fears and sleeps that allow us to bandage.

We don't need to get rid of the deadzone, if anything it allows us to guess what our enemies are going to do.

Oh and does viper sting break freeze tap?

Sounds interesting indeed. Though I never had too many problems with the dead zone except when cc'd in a battleground and promptly nuked into oblivion. But eh, we will have to see how it goes. I'll remain on the fence on this issue until I see how it pans out.

And if it "does" result in a nerf due to the whiny crying ******* who suddenly feel threatened by no-dead-zone hunters, I will be most upset. If it does not result in a nerf ever, great.

But in my opinion, if loss of the dead zone causes a nerf of another kind, I would rather have the dead zone. Gee, guess I chose which side of the fence I was on....

Getting rid of the dead-zone should be nice for about a month or so when they nerf us to all hell.

Personally I've never had issues with people in my dead-zone (none noteworthy anyway)
-Casters that get in are either hit with a scatter shot or get harassed by a snake trap.
-Combat classes (warriors, rogues, yadda yadda) are frozen and/or scattered.

This does lead me to wonder about issues in MM (like Caldone I'm a strong advocate of Marksmanship) making it less appealing with the lack of use in scatter shot.

Ladies and Gentleman, Keep in mind Possible changes only.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366566665&sid=1&pageNo=15



And another interesting change,

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366566665&sid=1&pageNo=1



Along with some people Data mining have found this little gem, Disarming shot

http://wowhead.com/?spell=43946

There you have it people, evidence as asked for.

Here;s the link to the Original post, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366549493&sid=1

This ought to be pretty big in pvp if it goes live, imagine your partner getting locked down and hamstringed and you can instantly disarm that war or other for at least 5 seconds, that is huge. Not too mention many other applications.

Which is where two things come into play:
Skill, and knowledge of other classes. Once you know what any given class should do to beat you, you can counter it by making that action harder or impossible. A Warrior is coming for you. One of the hardest fights a Hunter can have. Put him into combat immediately, so he can't Charge. Voila, you have taken away Rage from him, and his first CC opportunity. But don't think you are safe yet, he can still Intercept. That is when you anticipate his movements. You know he will Intercept, and if you have a decent grasp on range in WoW, and see him use his little Rage ability? Deterrence and AotM immediately. You can Dodge or even parry his Hamstring! While that happens, he triggers the Frost trap you put out, slowing him down, while you ran straight through him with Wingclip/Raptor Strike.

You just bought yourself quite a few seconds of uninterrupted runtime where you can use both Conc Shot and other skills to gain range, all the while doing Damage. And you haven't even used Trinket yet! Now, you are mentally doing the Intercept CD countdown, so you are prepared for it. Your finger hovers over Trinket while keeping a very close eye on Wingclip and Raptor Strike for another driveby, so by the time he has Hamstrung you, he will be CC'd himself while you Trinket out of his CC and run back to range.

And that's just one example. Every single class out there is beatable by a Hunter with equal gear. There is no exception. If you die to another class and claim it is because of the Deadzone, you either can't PvP properly yet, or you have met an opponent that's quite simply too skilled for you to beat.

A skilled Hunter will never have a problem with the Deadzone. They just play with the Deadzone in mind, and know when to use which trick to get away. It is an integral part to Hunter PvP, and it's been there since release. Removing it will just ruin the Hunter PvP scene completely, since it also removes one of our challenges. Naw, learn to overcome the Deadzone. That is the mark of a Hunter who can PvP. Cry out for removing it, and it just proves you can't PvP.

My 3v3 Arena team just went 5 and 5 tonight on our second set of runs together (my third evening of arena altogether). We really had a lot of fun and were in no way expecting to win half our matches given that our gear is not really suited to PvP and we're just learning how to play together.

It's not often I do an about face in back-to-back posts in the same thread, but I'm reconsidering my previous stance. I'm not convinced yet, but given the things we were doing differently tonight, it became apparent

In one of our fights, we faced of against 2 Frost Mages with a Pally healer. Our MS warrior was basically frost nova'd/polymorphed out of action for a fair bit of the fight, the pally kept up the heals, our healer went down, and then they finished me off. In our previous evening of Arena, any team we lost to on one run dominated us if we came up against them again.

Not so in this case. Wyvern Sting on the Pally bought us enough time to badly hurt one of the mages; Scatter Shot prevented another of the mages from downing our healer, and back-to-back Viper Stings after the first mage went down made the second mage just slightly more useful than a melee Hunter :P

I'll credit the Paladin for some sportsmanlike behavior in not prolonging the inevitable after the second mage went down.

My 3v3 team is learning to work together and a lot of the problems that gave us serious difficulty in our first outting are dwindling. TBH, we faced some pretty mediocre teams tonight, but we also matched a bit of skill to some better teams and came away with a win:loss record we were all quite pleased with.


We still have trouble with teams that just bring way more firepower to the table than we do. Warlock + Fire Mage x 2 ended us in record time tonight. As you alluded to, we're learning to anticipate what we might expect to see from certain jobs. Only one or two people visible on the other team at the start? I put countermeasures in place to cover my back and stay within range to cover our healer in case anyone tries a stealth attack on her. Our MS warrior designates targets and we do our best to FF them down.

We won our last four consequitive matches, and we're at least a couple of weeks off from getting our hands on some S2 gear (S3 will probably have started by the time we get it.)

We'll see how it goes over the next few weeks. I wouldn't say that I'm as-yet opposed to removing the deadzone...I'd still love to plant an Arcane Shot crit in the face of a blinking mage.