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#1 Oct 13 2007 at 3:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Group's Damage Done:

Me: 31%
Warlcock: 21%
Preezt: 18%
Spike (my pet): 17%
Tank: 8%
Shadowfiend and Imp/[Other Warlcock Pets]: 5%


Now, doesn't take a genious to figure out that the DPS weren't extremely skilled... But I was the group's main CC. And I stood for almost 50%.

There, done bragging now. An additional note though: I love BM.
#2 Oct 13 2007 at 3:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Warlcock

Error or not ?
#3 Oct 13 2007 at 3:34 AM Rating: Default
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EtherealSin wrote:
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Warlcock

Error or not ?


Should be, tard-lock.
#4 Oct 13 2007 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Now I usually defend warlocks because I have one as main, but if you were the main CC in Botanica that lock was obviously not doing his job.

I have yet to find a hunter that would come even close to damage my warlock can do.
Maybe my baby alt hunter will be that one some day :p


#5 Oct 13 2007 at 6:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Sethy wrote:
Now I usually defend warlocks because I have one as main, but if you were the main CC in Botanica that lock was obviously not doing his job.

I have yet to find a hunter that would come even close to damage my warlock can do.
Maybe my baby alt hunter will be that one some day :p




I'd take ya on, wonder how that would go ;p. I have found only one Lock so far who out dpsed me in 5 mans and it was in Shat Halls where we aed a lot, even then he didn't out dps me by a lot.
#6 Oct 13 2007 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Warlcock was 100% intentional.



Aye, I hear you fellas. I've had several people doing my damage or higher. Thing is, they've had at the very least one epic (and my hunter has NONE, even got some levelling greens left). I had a warrior with epic dual wield (crafted axe, aldor sword) do 1% less damage than me in a mechanar run today. And I've had a fire mage doing a few percent below me, and several (amongst them another fire mage, I believe) that have out-DPS:ed me. These are mostly warlocks.

The inability of the warlock I played with is unavoidable. But still... I trapped almost every pull (chain trapped on alot of them) and still I did 31% and my pet 17%... It's quite a gap, and I had equivalent gear compared to the others.

Ah what the hell... there are blokes for everything. I have after all met a melee:ing priest once... /shrugg
#7 Oct 13 2007 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
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And thats why I love BM.

You can tap the whole instance and be lowest on the damage meter, but once the boss fight comes you out dps everyone.
#8 Oct 13 2007 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
sounds like a sl run I had a while back. warlock in full blues + 30% pvp gear, rogue (me) with semi decent gear (middling in the hit, cirt and dps.)
Beginning half of the run I was doing 40% to his 22%. I though back to the effects I remembered on the mobs.
pst "Hey if you want to do more damge stop spamming your shadow bolts. pop your dots, keep them up and spam shadow bolts and other spells between."

reset damage counter. 5 more pulls.
me 36% him 27%.

pst "if you want to do even more damage. make sure the tank has enough aggro on the secondary target and maintain dots on that guy too."

reset damage counter. 5 more pulls.
me 34% him 29%

saw him again for an arc run yesterday. he told me he had his guildie run him though spell rotation, gear balancing and target priority.

Damage counter, Him 29.6% me 31.4%. I feel like a dad. ^_^
#9 Oct 14 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Darigraz wrote:
And thats why I love BM.

You can tap the whole instance and be lowest on the damage meter, but once the boss fight comes you out dps everyone.

I was well over 50% in the beginning :P Mainly because the priest was slacking.

Addermine: It's kinda risky to give such advise if you don't know more. I see you did a good job, but what if you told a Destr-lock to stop spamming Shadow Bolts? ^
#10 Oct 14 2007 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Elustriel wrote:
Sethy wrote:
Now I usually defend warlocks because I have one as main, but if you were the main CC in Botanica that lock was obviously not doing his job.

I have yet to find a hunter that would come even close to damage my warlock can do.
Maybe my baby alt hunter will be that one some day :p




I'd take ya on, wonder how that would go ;p. I have found only one Lock so far who out dpsed me in 5 mans and it was in Shat Halls where we aed a lot, even then he didn't out dps me by a lot.


Seems that hunters on my server usually have too much hands full meleeing mobs they broke out of traps themselves to actually dps.
I only met one so far that could trap something properly (and that only once, no chain trapping) but her pet was such crappy tank versus my felguard that I always assumed hunters have very poor tanks in their pets.
Forgive me for that but that is what I saw.

Now, when my own hunter is approaching 64 very fast, I can say both my pets tho level or 2 behind (yes I level 2 pets at once) are way above my locks felguard in hp, armor, dps and even keeping aggro.
I still have occasional run with BM hunters that melee rather than shoot breaking sheep and my seduce on the way without even noticing it. I am talking level 70.

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pst "Hey if you want to do more damge stop spamming your shadow bolts. pop your dots, keep them up and spam shadow bolts and other spells between."


Any non heroic run I never bother to cast DoTs on trash... its waste of mana and time because the mobs go down in seconds. 2 SBs and eventually Shadowburn, mob is down. I only DoT my offtanking target.
Ok I admit my lock is in half purples half blues, but if lock in your group have reason to cast CoA on main target trash mob in Slabs, your group seriously lack overall dps.

Not to mention that dotting all around can only make problems if something goes wrong and you need extra sheeping/trapping/seducing.

I really hope you have high level warlock when you are giving such advices based just on damage meters. Sometimes not being on top of dps meters is better than having multiple wipes due to reckless behavior just to keep your dps up.
#11 Oct 15 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
I have a 50 warlock and yes the player in question was destructon. he did the single target + dots but the damage that was with the shadowbolts + dots increased his dps by a significant % over the single shadowbolt damage. I'm pretty sure you understand the stacking effect of shadowbolt crits + coa or corruption for mobs that last longer than 18 seconds. 20% to all shadow damage until 4 non periodic effects or 12 seconds. Since the coa = 1 second cast time(global cooldown) while the shadowbolt takes 2.5 with talent.

Yes we were probabally low on the dps scale. Which was why I was roughly 40 rather than 28-34 which I usially fall within with similarly geared/skilled people.

I also agree with you on quick trash you shouldn't bother with dots as most of the damage is wasted. However the mobs were lasting average of 16-20 seconds each which seems to be close to where dots are hold their own in the damage generation.

pps the party was not as coordinated or geared up as you are as you are. From your post you would down mobs in your group in 2X2.5sec + sb.. 8 seconds? each while our group was taking quite a bit longer.

Edited, Oct 15th 2007 5:36pm by Addermine

Edited, Oct 15th 2007 5:37pm by Addermine
#12 Oct 15 2007 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, actually any trash (not counting those tougher demons) with my usual group setup goes down in less than 8 sec.
We all did that instance many times and those were just rep runs or me trying to get a sword and mage spellstrike legs pattern. I saw Sonic Spear drop and being disenchanted some 15 times - I am sure if I get to run my hunter for it it will never drop.
And it never takes us more than than 2 hours to do it even if someone has to go quick afk.

But yes, last time we were helping few fresh 70ies get first Kara key fragment and it turned into nightmare.
We had hunter breaking not only his own traps but my seduce too and meleeing half of the time. When you have hunter being 2nd on taking damage you must assume he is doing something very wrong.

I pulled succy, tho I can run that instance with my felguard much faster and more reliable, but I was trying to show another level 70 warlock dragging VW around that succy actually can be more useful.
Our tank couldnt grasp kitting the 3rd boss properly and that was where my 30g repair bill made me loose patience and I bailed out - after 5 hours.

At one point we had bad pull plus stealthed rogue in that hall before the 2nd boss and I was the only one alive with 3 mobs... one banished felhound, one kept chain seduced and one I juggled with dots and fear. Then succy went oom (couldnt risk LT due to my own low hp so I had lucky SB crit on one, pulled felguard to tank another and dot/feared what was left. Somehow I made it and stayed alive, barely.
That is a sort of situation where I use all the available dots.

But if things are under control they are just a waste of time usually. I have mobinfo addon and I can see what kind of hp I am dealing with and somewhat predict how long a fight could last. I use my spells accordingly then.

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