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#77 Oct 16 2007 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Truth is not found beneath math, math is a function of logical truth. Math is a tangible function of music which is the universal language of humanity. Therefore music, which contains the sub realms of math, creativity, and imagery is the only truth that will outlast humanity.


Funny, this quote is not logically sound. Mr. Spok would SO rip this apart.

You need proof that math is "the" universal language of humanity - not only that it is a universal language (some people hate Beethoven, e.g.), but also that it is "the" u.l., implying strongly that it's the ONLY u.l. of h. Maybe it isn't. Art tends to evoke images across language barriers, too.

The leap to music being the "only truth" - we don't all agree on music. Math forces you to agree with it; music does not. By design music has a subjective element to it - emotion. So how can music be "truth?" (edit, again, different songs evoke different emotions in different people - how can this be "truth" - and even if you argue it is "truth to each individual," how is that emotional hiccups are being defined as "truth" here - feeling annoyed by Supertramp whining "Dreeeeamer..." is not truth to me! It's me wondering why I have the damn classic rock station on again - and why are they playing the same damn thirty songs over and over!)

Further, how is it that music will outlast humanity? Without us, music is just a stupid pattern of vibrations. In the "theater of the human mind," THAT is where music "transcends" - where music becomes electrifying, startling, deeply sad, longing, tearful, overwhelming, evoking love - whatever. Music quite arguably will not outlast us because it is so intrinsically linked to us!

Anyway, I find the above quote has more in common with "Twas brillig and the slithy toves" - words that sound important and seem to mean something - but do they really? Well, of course they do or can, if one is "generous" or "nice" about them.

But this is the hunter forum! Sorry!

Edited, Oct 16th 2007 2:05pm by IponemaGirl
#78 Oct 16 2007 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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I am confused! To allow arithmatic expression such as +, -, and = but yet not allow mathmatical functions such as square, square root, or perhaps even the almighty trigonometric functions... well, I am flummoxed! By Sir Issac Newtons Apple, I did not know we had such restrictions!

I understand, perhaps not everyone is ready to step beyond basic math, and I have overstepped the bounds. I beg forgiveness.


No no, go beyond basic math. I am preparing some devastating integrals for future variables, just not numbers. So even though a square root is really x^(1/2) there is a symbol for it. However I don't know a symbol for ^2 and that is just an exponent similar to ^3 and ^whatever, so is outside the bounds.

Whoever can tell me what this means gets promoted to instant awesomeness.

{12+144+20 + 3sqrt(4)}/7 + 5*11 = 9^2 + 0
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#79 Oct 16 2007 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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I would, but I cam eup with 84- Simply because I couldnt figure out what ^ meant >.<

#80 Oct 16 2007 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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^ means to the power of. so 9^2 is "9 to the power of 2" or more simply "9 squared"
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#81 Oct 16 2007 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
Ooooooh, I actually had to read all those other posts to "get" what's going on here.

/hits head into wall



Edited, Oct 16th 2007 2:58pm by IponemaGirl
#82 Oct 16 2007 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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IponemaGirl wrote:

Funny, this quote is not logically sound. Mr. Spok would SO rip this apart.


Our poor IponemaGirl... it's quite logically sound. You see, you missed the part where music IS art (so your argument actually supports the quote). All things have a termination in music. It has long been called the universal language as it transcends all language barriers. Music is more than just sound, always has been.

All things in the human experience have been expressed muscially, but all things in the human experience cannot be expressed mathematically. Even your dear Mr. Spock created music, played it, embraced it. So with him on my side as proof that music is entirely logical. In almost every way it is superior as a universal human language to math. Very few people 'feel' math, but even someone born deaf can 'feel' music, even create it for those that can 'hear' it.

To really bake your brain, silence has been identified with music, not the absence of 'sound'... Aren't we a clever folk. FYI, the universe is NEVER silent and makes it's own music, and if possible, that silence would still be music.

The music and broadcasted culture that we have sent out to it will be all that is left of humanities sum total of experience when Earth has been reduced to its component particles by the forces of that musical universe. Humans as we now know ourselves will long be gone, either as something evolved or something that was.

To bring it full circle and back to the topic thread title. Faith in humanity is unnecessary, we have already created that which will define us long after we are gone or changed. The TRUTH of what is, beyond faith and philosophy, is that people are people and the only thing we can control is how WE control our interactions with our fellow humans. It could be said that the OP is referring to a loss of faith in themselves in being able to cope with the pseudo-chaos that is this forum. You choose to interact with it, or you choose not to. Take your pick.

"Plato, Aristotle, Socrates... morons!" -Vicinni (The Princess Bride)
#83 Oct 16 2007 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Xsarus wrote:
No no, go beyond basic math. I am preparing some devastating integrals for future variables, just not numbers. So even though a square root is really x^(1/2) there is a symbol for it. However I don't know a symbol for ^2 and that is just an exponent similar to ^3 and ^whatever, so is outside the bounds.


Now you're just being picky. I used the proper symbol, the raised 2 beside the number being squared. Just because the symbol happens to be a number doesn't make it invalid. Just because the symbol for square root (√) doesnt look like a number doesn't make it fair game either. Ya either allow them or not! Symbols are part of math, and some symbols are numbers in certain positions! Don't make me throw Pi in your face! ^_^
#84 Oct 16 2007 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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(to the power of) is a mathematical expression involving two numbers. you could theoretically insert any number in there which is clearly no good. Also this is my thread not yours, so I can clearly state that numbers are not allowed.

I haven't decided on pi and e yet, but good luck using them in an expression. I guess ln(e) does = 1. hmmm. Regardless to the power of expressions are not allowed if the number is not already there.

I think the square root can be allowed, but I see your point, so it is now no longer allowed. See what you've done!

edit: also IponemaGirl we padded the walls of this thread a long time ago, so you can't hurt yourself :)

(slo you missed 2=5-3)

Edited, Oct 16th 2007 3:12pm by Xsarus
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#85 Oct 16 2007 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Fine, you math meenie. Allow this, don't allow that...

I √64 your π anyway! <insert raspberry here>
#86 Oct 16 2007 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
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btw, is resemble actually the word you wanted to use there? remember makes more sense :P
Resemble was intended. I was the one who tried to politely disabuse Kooter of the crazy concept that somehow a BM Hunter took more damage.
#87 Oct 17 2007 at 6:34 AM Rating: Default
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I've said it before, but I'll say it again.

If we break the sticky down into multiple stickies, like:

EVERY PET QUESTION ANSWERED HERE
EVERY SPEC QUESTION ANSWERED HERE

It would be a lot easier for newbies to find what they are looking for. Wading through 7 long pages of text to find the answer to a question, pretty much sucks. There's a reason why webpages are split into multiple pages; it'd be too much information otherwise. We've got too much in one sticky thread.
#88 Oct 17 2007 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I've said it before, but I'll say it again.

If we break the sticky down into multiple stickies, like:

EVERY PET QUESTION ANSWERED HERE
EVERY SPEC QUESTION ANSWERED HERE

It would be a lot easier for newbies to find what they are looking for. Wading through 7 long pages of text to find the answer to a question, pretty much sucks. There's a reason why webpages are split into multiple pages; it'd be too much information otherwise. We've got too much in one sticky thread.
First off, the thread was derailed into a far more interesting subject. Secondly, you are quite simply wrong.

You do not have to read through seven pages. You have to read one post. By then you should have realized how the sticky is set up. This information here, that information on that page, and all the other stuff over on that page over there. If you can't figure out the sticky, you are quite simply so retarded that you don't belong in front of a computer anyway.

I'd rather have the sticky constructed as it is, with it's quite simple and elegant division of information, instead of three or more stickies cluttering up the first page. One is enough, and the title Every Question Answered Here should be more than enough to get the attention of the ADDtards we've been having to deal with lately.
#89 Oct 17 2007 at 6:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Is NorthAI the resident badass or something?

*giggle*
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#90 Oct 17 2007 at 7:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Is NorthAI the resident badass or something?

*giggle*

I know, it's crazy. Half the time I post something in here, I get half the Hunter population on my **** for not being a servile little ***** that jumps through hoops because some ******** feels doing a little bit of research is beneath him. And I have always thought of myself as one of the Good Guys in all the other forums I frequent, but apparently that's not nice enough in here.

I think the "Rate me down!!!!!!!" thread in the OoT should be mandatory reading for everyone on Allakhazam. Might put things in perspective, and make the people who hate me rather just pray that no one else follows me here from the OoT.
#91 Oct 17 2007 at 7:06 AM Rating: Decent
This thread is now officially 1/0.
#92 Oct 17 2007 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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We love North.

He hasn't even gone after my dime store philosophy yet. In fact, nobody took the bait. Need to get better bait to troll with... hmmm.

So how 'bout that deadzone removal? Oh wait, that's OLD bait....

That's it, I'm spent. Must've burned out those last two braincells on that music crap.
#93 Oct 17 2007 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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North Caldone and slo are my heroes! *bats eyes*
#94 Oct 17 2007 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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North Caldone and slo are my heroes! *bats eyes*


Rayne-

If I wasn't married already I might just propose to you!

Ummm..

***** it!

*Gets down on knees*

*Pulls out Wedding Ring*

Will you marry me?

Edited, Oct 17th 2007 2:56pm by Caldone
#95 Oct 17 2007 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I want to be the resident badass of the Druid forum, but Quor won't let me.

True story. Smiley: frown
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#96 Oct 17 2007 at 1:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Hands and knees?


Now, that would be an interesting marriage proposal. . . .
#97 Oct 17 2007 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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double post

Edited, Oct 17th 2007 5:49pm by Laecy
#98 Oct 17 2007 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
Lord Mazra wrote:
I want to be the resident badass of the Druid forum, but Quor won't let me.

True story. Smiley: frown

Awww. Well you can always sacrifice your firstborn to become one of my minions and thus bask in the reflected glory of me?
#99 Oct 17 2007 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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I want to be the resident badass of the Druid forum, but Quor won't let me.

Get Grumpywookie in there.
#100 Oct 17 2007 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Hands and knees?


Now, that would be an interesting marriage proposal. . . .


Damnit.... fixed
#101 Oct 17 2007 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Get Grumpywookie in there.

I concur. Then bring him in here. Excellent sense of humor, that furry *******.
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