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#1 Oct 12 2007 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
I'm starting to prepare for 70, as I'm now 67. Soon I'll have to choose what to go in Tailoring [to either get my Frozen Shadoweave set, or the other one (I don't know what it's called)]. Now the question is, what's the most valuable PvP spec. What's the most valuable raiding spec. And, what's the most valuable raiding/pvp spec?

I was thinking I'd have to spec fire, but I'd kind of like to stay frost too. I just need to know what the going cookie-cutter end game spec is currently.
#2 Oct 12 2007 at 11:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Enigmen wrote:
I was thinking I'd have to spec fire, but I'd kind of like to stay frost too. I just need to know what the going cookie-cutter end game spec is currently.


Talk to your guild. If they're willing to let you raid as frost, you'll be fine as a frost mage in both PvE and PvP. I'd recommend something like this for both.

If you weren't planning to PvP, I'd personally say go with something more like this for a more raid focused build.

Some guilds, however, require you to raid as a 10/48/3 fire mage. So again, talk to them.

Edited, Oct 13th 2007 1:13am by Poldaran
#3 Oct 13 2007 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks for the helpful reply. I'm just going to talk to my guild and see what they need, and hopefuly spec to that. I'm considering speccing fire anyways, just cause it'd be something new from my 60 levels of Frost focus.
#4 Oct 13 2007 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
if your gonna PvP more then a frost spec is great. You can still do some good damage in raids with frost and will pwn in PvP. If your like me and wanna raid alot but still hit up arena when you feel the need the PoM/fire build is great. Your survivability will be much lower and you'll need to get a raid set and pvp set of gear but with a good team you can still pwn.
#5REDACTED, Posted: Oct 14 2007 at 9:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) At the moment 10/48/3 is the cookie cutter build. If you have very good gear, you might be able to achieve more from AM spam but thats not my specialty. If you want RLs to accept you, 10/48/3 is the build. However, if you really want to excel in DPS mage is not as good a build as warlock im afraid.
#6 Oct 14 2007 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
Damoloces wrote:
At the moment 10/48/3 is the cookie cutter build. If you have very good gear, you might be able to achieve more from AM spam but thats not my specialty. If you want RLs to accept you, 10/48/3 is the build. However, if you really want to excel in DPS mage is not as good a build as warlock im afraid.


I'm sorry, but your whining about Warlocks is getting extremely old. Please, just stop. Just stop.
#7REDACTED, Posted: Oct 14 2007 at 9:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Im on a mission. I will stop complaining about warlocks just as soon as they become a balanced class, and not before.
#8 Oct 14 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
Damoloces wrote:
Im on a mission. I will stop complaining about warlocks just as soon as they become a balanced class, and not before.

They are a balanced class*. Your on a dumb mission anyways, since none of us here can make them a balanced class. Ugh. Go whine on the O-Boards, we don't need you here.

Edited, Oct 14th 2007 1:37pm by Enigmen

Edited, Oct 14th 2007 1:37pm by Enigmen
#9REDACTED, Posted: Oct 14 2007 at 9:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Your ignorance proves that you do need me
#10REDACTED, Posted: Oct 14 2007 at 10:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) We need Kojiami or Spinshark back. Now those were f*cking good trolls.
#11 Oct 14 2007 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
Damoloces wrote:
Your ignorance proves that you do need me


My ignorance? Please do tell.
#12 Oct 14 2007 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
In response to Damoleces.

I wouldn't worry too much about warlocks, or any other class. Blizzard admitted that mages in the same quality of gear do less damage than other classes, (includes warlocks but is not limited to them.) And that is exactly why blizzard intends on buffing mages damage output in raids next patch. So instead of nerfing warlocks they are buffing us, which should make us balance.

Except blizzard can't truely no whats balance until they actually put it in the game. So mages are going to be just fine.

Roll a rogue and just see how much fun it is to get revenge on warlocks, thats what I did considering they own me.

In response to Enigmen, if the guild requires you to spec fire for raids, go spell cloth tailoring. If they require you to go frost go shadoweave tailoring. If they dont require you to go anything, spec what ever you find the most fun. And choose spell cloth tailoring if you spec fire and shadoweave tailoring if you spec frost.

And make sure you know which spec you want to/required to go because it will be hard as hell and annoying as hell to change spell cloth tailoring to shadoweave tailoring or vise versa. And I think thats what it is call shadoweave tailoring.
#13REDACTED, Posted: Oct 14 2007 at 10:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You believe that a warlock is balanced. It's tough to get any more ignorant than that.
#14 Oct 14 2007 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
Damoloces wrote:
Enigmen wrote:

My ignorance? Please do tell.


You believe that a warlock is balanced. It's tough to get any more ignorant than that.


Seriously? That proves me ignorant? Intriguing.
#15REDACTED, Posted: Oct 14 2007 at 11:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well it proves that you are unaware of the facts, and thats what ignorance is isnt it?
#16 Oct 14 2007 at 11:19 AM Rating: Decent
Damoloces wrote:
Well it proves that you are unaware of the facts, and thats what ignorance is isnt it?


I'm very aware of facts. I just tend to not look at them so negatively. How is that ignorance?
#17REDACTED, Posted: Oct 14 2007 at 11:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I dont look at them negatively either, i just recognise when the facts are stacked against me, refusal to do so is ignorance.
#18 Oct 14 2007 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
Damoloces wrote:
I dont look at them negatively either, i just recognise when the facts are stacked against me, refusal to do so is ignorance.


No, not really.

Ignorance (Source: Dictionary.com): The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

Ignorant: (Source: Dictionary.com): Lacking education or knowledge.

Since I clearly know the facts, and choose to look upon them in a different way, I've proven myself to not be ignorant. However you calling me ignorant shows that you don't know--or understand--the definition of ignorant. Thusly it looks like you're ignorant.

Thanks, and good bye :).
#19REDACTED, Posted: Oct 14 2007 at 11:40 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I am well aware of what ignorance means: as i said before, unaware of the facts (ie uninformed) which you must be if you believe the highest DPS ranged mana user class in the game to be balanced.
#20 Oct 15 2007 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
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This is a weird post... are all of Damoloces' posts removed? (Rated down?).

I believe that warlocks are the anti-mage class, so be it. I rolled a rogue and kill them. ;-) Rogues are the anti-cloth class. ;-) When I get tired of getting killed by warriors, I hop back on my mage and start killing them.

Edited, Oct 15th 2007 8:12am by ktangent
#21REDACTED, Posted: Oct 15 2007 at 7:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yep all mine got rated down which is strange because if i was spamming then the person arguning against me was spamming as well, but i dont see his posts getting hidden. More of the pro-warlock bias that seems to exist on this forum.
#22 Oct 15 2007 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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ktangent wrote:
This is a weird post... are all of Damoloces' posts removed? (Rated down?).


Yes, he got rated down.

Yes, I contributed to said rate downs.

He has a huge chip on his shoulder about locks, and not a post goes by from him that isn't a whine about locks in some way shape or form.
#23REDACTED, Posted: Oct 15 2007 at 7:59 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I must say your abilities are impressive, you rated down my last post within less than a minute of it being posted...
#24 Oct 15 2007 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
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Damoloces wrote:
I must say your abilities are impressive, you rated down my last post within less than a minute of it being posted...


Actually, you've been rated down enough, and not just by me because I don't think I've rated you quite that much, that you're now at an instant Sub-Default start to your rating.

#25 Oct 15 2007 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Damoloces: Your ignorance is astounding, considering you're trying to reduce ours. Tell me, is everything you say just the same xerox of oboard emo, or do you actually have experience to back it up?

Enigmen: Frost is fine for raiding, at least early. The best is usually to go 40/0/21, and then respec to deep frost once you get 900dmg or so for the extra goodies that come with deep frost. Deep frost relies quite a bit on having your WE stay alive, however, and you should work on trying to keep it alive as much as possible.
The biggest downside to frost is that it just doesn't have the scaling compared to 10/48/3 once you get into Tier 5-level content. Frost has beter mana efficiency compared to Fire, but with a good amount of SSC/TK (and now ZA) gear, fire still outdamages it even though it goes OOM several minutes early. If you don't have Judgement of Wisdom or a shadow priest, Frost can keep up a bit more, but either of those put Fire a ways ahead.
#26 Oct 15 2007 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
I think at 70 I may as well go Fire. It seems to be what's more accepted in Raiding and it seems still viable in PvP. I think perhaps I'll try something like PoM/Pyroblast or something.

Who knows, but, with 70 right around the corner I'm starting to farm rep. When I hit 70 I can be geared fairly quickly :). I'm pretty excited.
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