Hunter Weapon ... Warrior Weapon ??Follow

Ok, I must admit, as much as I have tried to understand this fixation with Hunters wanting every weapon for themselves (I do believe that it's an age-old joke that Hunters assume this), I am yet to understand why some weapons are indeed considered "Hunter Weapons" over it going to a warrior.

Now I understand sometimes why a weapon would go to a Hunter over a warrior, lots of Agility for one reason, considering that Agi gives ranged ap to a hunter, as well as crit, but a negligable (comparitively) amount of crit to a warrior. In that situation, I could accept that a hunter would make more use out of it than a warrior could.

The most glaring example I've come across in recent times is the Twin Blade of the Phoenix ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29993 ). This item has oodles of Stamina, lotsa crit, lotsa ap, nice big damage, not incredibly slow, but slow enough I believe (564 as the top damage is great) to be worthwhile. It even has sockets (which you can do anything with) with an AP socket bonus.

If, however, I look at wowjutsu.com ... stats say that this weapon has gone to a hunter ~63% of the time, to a warrior 29% of the time and to a pally once or twice. Why !!? I have even read that hunters would consider it an absolute travesty if this weapon went to a warrior instead of a hunter Why !!?

As a warrior, ~110 Ap would do me very nicely thanks, togther with nearly 2% crit and over 500 hp (not to mention 130 dps :-O). Come on ... this is a melee weapon, warriors are melee classes, there's not a single stat on there that would benefit a hunter over a warrior.

Ok, don't get me wrong, I accept that +str is better for a warrior for a number of reasons, and in that situation it would be pointless for a hunter (much the same way that +agi is worse for a warrior), but this item doesn't have str, it has AP, which translates to the same benefit for both classes (and if it DID have str, it would prolly have +55 str ;->)

Or am I wrong ... please, somebody help me out here with this insane concept (Hunter weapon ... Bah!) It just seems that every time a weapon appears that would be usable by a hunter, they demand that it be left alone by everyone else for their exclusive use, regardless of whether it can be used by others as well.

How many warriors are specced 2h in raids? Most are d/w'ing.

Now it shouldn't go to the hunter over the warrior. If you are specced 2-hand then you should both be able to roll on it. The system is in place for that very reason.

It's all about the here and now. I don't want to hear anything like, "well you could just run XXX instance and get YYY drop, it is better than this"

Because we aren't in that instance and that item didn't drop. This YYY did drop and it is an upgrade for both of us, so we both roll. Both have equal claim to that item.

But from your original post you go to look at the stats.



you are given an answer without even seeing it.



That's your discrepency in the % stats. If 100 raid groups ran and that blade dropped every time, each group had both a DPS warrior and hunter. For simplicity sake the roll count was a split 50/50. So 50 blades went to hunters 50 blades went to warriors.

Now lets say 50% of those DPS warriors dual wielded. So now we have 100 hunters rolling on the blade and 50 Warriors rolling on it. You already have 50% of the drops going to hunters right there, now the other 50%, split(evenly) between the 2-handed warriors and the other hunters, leaves the hunter getting 75 blades and the warrior getting only 25 drops, or a 75%/25% split. Simple. You can't just go to a website, look at stats, and say "that's not right". You need to have context to go with the stats.

Well with the right gems socketed.... Nevermind I can't even think of a valid reason a Hunter would want this other than the crit bonus (pretty sure it applies to ranged attacks).

My Hunter would pass that in a heartbeat for a Warrior or any other melee 2h'er classes. However, since it's EPIX gears!! If no one wanted it I'd loot on it (if no sharders). Maybe help a bit in BGs and it looks freaking sweet.

My Warrior would drop a raid if that was won by a Hunter =) Maybe not as dramatic, but I'd be pissed.

If you use 2H weapons to DPS with, and there are plenty of 2H warriors in raids (Hallo, Blood Frenzy) then you get it over the hunter. Period. For a Hunter, a ranged weapon is a stat piece; the equivalent is a melee taking a gun from a Hunter because it 'gives him AP and crit'. While... true, the main point is that the gun/bow/whatever is what the Hunter uses for his primary DPS, and thus it should go to him over you; the same applies to the Twinblade.

Even if you only occasionally use it, you should get it over the Hunter (or be willing to spend more DKP, depending upon how your system is set up).

For this specific example though... until recently, the Twinblade wasn't any better than the Tier 3 smithed 2H weapons, and when you've had a Bloodmoon/Lionheart for so long a minor sidegrade isn't that big of a deal. In terms of PvP use, the good old Stormherald still wins out, so that wasn't a huge market... and because the BT progression post-Kael tends to be so quick, the 2H DPS Warriors may have been swinging Soul Cleavers around before they saw the Twin Blade drop, in which case it really wouldn't have mattered.

It's worth noting that once Kael is dead you're literally an hour or two away from the polearm from Najentus which blows the Twinblade away for hunters.

Now you there is a real hunter weapon ... that's something that should go to a hunter over a warrior. 151 RAP for a Hunter > 100 AP for a warrior ... no confusion there



RAP for a Hunter = AP for a warrior in the same amounts. It would be a 50/50 roll between the 2 if this was an enchant or something. But this is a Melee weapon, which is a warrior's main ability (only ability tbh)