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#1 Oct 11 2007 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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A while back, I tamed the Ghost Saber - at level 62. I thought it would be a fun project to level her up. Ha. I was crazy.

I got her to 43, needed to pick up my main wolf for an instance run, and somehow never got around to picking her back up again. I finally faced the fact that I wasn't going to have the patience to get her all the way up, but I wanted a dpsing animal for serious runs. I checked petopia and came across Sian-Rotam. White cat, to honor my ghost saber, with a strong white mane reminecent of my wolf.

After hanging about in Thunderbluff for a while on a temporary alt, I made friends with a Belf hunter. By the way, I take back everything mean I ever said about blood elves. I don't care how skinny they are :). This guy bent over backwards to help me tame my lion. Found all the prereqs and went through the whole questline for me. Didn't even want to take a tip until I insisted.

Now I have a magnificent white lion by my side. I know the grind from 60-70 will still be difficult, but it seems much more attainable. And he is so beautiful.

Maybe this would be a good time to experiment with respeccing to survival. . .
#2 Oct 11 2007 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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LOL! I love my GhostSaber. No cat could ever replace her. But yeah I know what you mean by tough work. I gave up on my Death Ravager when I found out about its little glitch.

I decided having a pet that couldn't help me in PVP wasn't worth using. I had already grinded it from lvl 10 to lvl 29. That was some hard work lol.
#3 Oct 11 2007 at 10:52 PM Rating: Good
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If you do a lot of instances, take your pet in. The low level pet will have the same aggro radius as you, so unless you need the pet to tank (unlikely), it's all easy exp for leveling your lowbie pet.
#4 Oct 12 2007 at 6:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I have kicked myself in the **** over and over for getting rid of my Ghost Saber! I don't even remember why I did it (NOOB mistake). I've thought about taming another one to level up, just don't know if I have the attention span for that kind of a grind.
#5 Oct 12 2007 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah! I love the Ghost Saber. On my allied toon, I hit 55 or so and wanted to go back and get one. I think I got to 40 or so with it and thought if I have to level it one more time I'm gonna cry! When I rerolled horde, I hit 20 and went and grabbed one while at Zoram anyway. At least once a week someone asks me about it.

#6 Oct 12 2007 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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I went back and got the Ghost Saber when my hunter was 40 something. Now my hunter is 70 and my GS is 68. That was long and painful leveling. Learning kiting and chain trapping was very useful.

I believe I heard this trick in here from NorthAI first. Take your low level pet along with you on instance runs and never send him in to fight. He'll still absorb all the experience and probably will level several times during one run if he's much lower level than yourself. However in order for this technique to be acceptable to PUG party members, you'll probably have to accept an escort mission. Just be sure the mobs are at least green to you (not your pet). Otherwise your pet won't get any experience.


Edited, Oct 12th 2007 2:13pm by ItsaGaAs
#7 Oct 12 2007 at 1:48 PM Rating: Default
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If you do a lot of instances, take your pet in.

Do yourself a favour- don't do this if your pet is too low to do appropriate DPS while you shoot. You can get a low-level pet and level it by solo-farming mobs if you want, or duoing with someone who knows and accepts that you're leveling your pet. Don't be the guy who perpetuates the Huntard stereotype by showing up to instances with a pet that couldn't fight a rabbit, much less an Elite mob your level (unless, as with the duoing idea, you have the approval of everyone in your group). By going into an instance with a significantly underleveled pet, you gimp yourself, you gimp your ability to OT if you need to, and you gimp your group. You also give the impression that you don't have much regard for the rest of the group as well.

Perhaps it's just a pet peeve of mine (no pun intended, honest!), but I cringe when I hear stories of someone taking their level 40 cat into Auchindon with a PUG. We have enough people perpetuating the Huntard stereotype, and the more we as a class do to break that stereotype, the better.
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#8 Oct 12 2007 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
ProjectMidnight wrote:
If you do a lot of instances, take your pet in. The low level pet will have the same aggro radius as you, so unless you need the pet to tank (unlikely), it's all easy exp for leveling your lowbie pet.


rate up for understanding that. I can't count the times that people have given me crap for doing that. I'm talkin heroics where the pet will NEVER be tanking anything so there's no reason not to bring in one that needs xp too, not talkin about inconveniencing my group in any way. Their excuse for not liking it is always the same though. You'll pull half the instance on us..oh noes!!
#9 Oct 12 2007 at 4:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I am going to pick apart our dear sages advice ever so thoroughly


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Do yourself a favour- don't do this if your pet is too low to do appropriate DPS while you shoot. You can get a low-level pet and level it by solo-farming mobs if you want, or duoing with someone who knows and accepts that you're leveling your pet.


Ok, you cannot solo farm with a level 9 pet, so that theory wont work (if your level 70( or you would have to have a **** ton of mana and health pots and be spending WAAAAY too much time)) Also, who gives a **** your leveling a pet? Take em with anyways.


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Don't be the guy who perpetuates the Huntard stereotype by showing up to instances with a pet that couldn't fight a rabbit, much less an Elite mob your level (unless, as with the duoing idea, you have the approval of everyone in your group). By going into an instance with a significantly underleveled pet, you gimp yourself, you gimp your ability to OT if you need to, and you gimp your group. You also give the impression that you don't have much regard for the rest of the group as well.


Another issue, in outlands a Hunters pet CANNOT OT. Despite what anybody thinks, Pets have not scaled the same the hunters have, Pets CANNOT OT without some SERIOUSLY geared up or bored healer.

Pets are an oversized DOT, who gives a **** if you show up with low level pets? I do it all the time and have never heard second of it, most of the time I get complimented on the fact I am taking the time to do it.

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Perhaps it's just a pet peeve of mine (no pun intended, honest!), but I cringe when I hear stories of someone taking their level 40 cat into Auchindon with a PUG. We have enough people perpetuating the Huntard stereotype, and the more we as a class do to break that stereotype, the better.


You know, as many things as I have heard about Huntards, low level pets is not one of them. Do me a favor and **** off before you spout your self righteous *********

#10 Oct 12 2007 at 7:45 PM Rating: Good
Agreed with caldone..

If your Not a bm hunter than your pet can be low level and you will only see a small decrease in your dps ( about 10-15 percent). Instances like shadow labs are great for leveling pets. by far the fastest way to go about it. However i would really only recomend that you do this with an all guildy group to save yourself some hassle of some less informed players.

Also like caldone said pets should not be heavily relied upon in the high level instances for ot. But they make pretty good offtanks on casters in the big five man pulls on occasion.



#11 Oct 13 2007 at 6:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Why tame a cat?
cats suck anyway.
Go carrion Bird! (or for dps a ravager or scorpid)
#12 Oct 13 2007 at 6:25 AM Rating: Default
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I have to agree that taking a pet into instances alot higher than it is dumb and fits the 'huntard' stereotype. Pets can be used as CC, let them OT a mob and it works in more or less the same way as freeze trap by keeping the enemy at bay whilst the group takes no damage from it.

Also pets can do up to 30% of a hunters dps if specced for it and by bringing a low level pet the dps is significantly less.

By bringing a lvl40 pet to Auch, for example, would gimp the group.
#13 Oct 14 2007 at 5:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Deathkopta wrote:
I have to agree that taking a pet into instances alot higher than it is dumb and fits the 'huntard' stereotype. Pets can be used as CC, let them OT a mob and it works in more or less the same way as freeze trap by keeping the enemy at bay whilst the group takes no damage from it.

It'll be a pretty damn short CC, about 5-10 seconds.
Then your pet will have received a couple of 5k hits and dies.

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Also pets can do up to 30% of a hunters dps if specced for it and by bringing a low level pet the dps is significantly less.
That is the reason I ask groups if they mind i have a lower level pet.
Unless its a guildrun and we're stupidly overgeared for the instance anyway.
#14 Oct 14 2007 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
I appreciate the difference in opinion, if not the manner in which it was stated by Caldone. However, I stand by what I said earlier- in my opinion, people who come into a group with a severely underleveled pet make Hunters look bad. Perhaps in Outlands, pets can't OT as effectively as they could in Azeroth, but I have used my pet to save a group member's skin on more than one occasion- something I could not have done if I'd brought a level 40 pet to a level 60-something group. And Aethien, that's what I should have clarified earlier- that courtesy should suggest you ask your group first if anyone minds.

Edit: Ah! I knew I remembered seeing a thread ranting about low-level pets in instances- here it is, from back in March.

Edited, Oct 14th 2007 3:02pm by Wondroustremor
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#15 Oct 14 2007 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
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And Aethien, that's what I should have clarified earlier- that courtesy should suggest you ask your group first if anyone minds.


Why ask? I never had and it's your dollar, not theirs.
#16 Oct 14 2007 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd tend to agree, but sometimes while in game I'm overpolite. (at least my old guild told me that) I would ask just so that if anyone had any false notions I could avoid them to start with, and secondly I never really even ask, never really considered it. I don't know why, Lately I've been trying to focus on quests and staying out of dungeons. While on Rayu, I don't think I ever took him in a dungeon. (Recently changed my schedule at work, but I was playing at times when I'd never see anyone else in zones like 3 to 5 am.)

Since the pet's aggro radius isn't an issue, and there is nothing (as usually is for pets) for said pet to be doing in particular, I don't see a problem with taking a low pet along.
#17 Oct 14 2007 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
That's where you and I differ, Caldone. It may be your dollar to play the game, but they've paid theirs as well. I'm of the mind that you can play however you want when you solo, and you have the right to tell others how you want to play. However, when you join a group, you're interacting with four (or nine, or fourteen, etc.) others who have also paid the same amount of money to play how they want. If a Druid wishes to play Feral and never heal, he's within his right to do so. If a Warrior only wants to DPS and never tank, he can. If a Hunter wants to trap and melee, it's his right. However, if the individual's playstyle hinders the group, it's the group's right to say they don't want that kind of role in their group.

It may be your $15 a month to play how you want, but their collective $60 a month can decide they don't want to group with someone who plays with a selfish attitude.
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#18 Oct 14 2007 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent


Hehe, I'm leveling my GS at the moment as well. It also helps that I'm an avid mini pet collector. I just go out to Zangramarsh and grind on those stingers, hoping for a Firefly pet drop :). They are just the right lvl for pet XP grinding and my GS has gotten to 45 so far.
#19 Oct 14 2007 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
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However, if the individual's playstyle hinders the group, it's the group's right to say they don't want that kind of role in their group.

It may be your $15 a month to play how you want, but their collective $60 a month can decide they don't want to group with someone who plays with a selfish attitude.


I still fail to see how tking a lower level pet hinders a group.

Maybe because I am MM for the reason of, I do not have to rely on my pet for damage...
#20 Oct 15 2007 at 6:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Excellent answer, Caldone. Bravo
#21 Oct 15 2007 at 6:42 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know what % of your damage you can attribute to your pet if you are MM. I would guess it would be at least 10% though, which is a fairly considerable amount. If you are BM of course, it's a lost higher, closer to 25-30%.

I think bringing a low level pet along to an instance is a very viable strategy. I would tell the group members, just to be courteous, and so they understand why my pet is just sitting there.

Most outlands instances are fairly easy once you have been fighting through them for a while, due to better gear and experience. So while I would be gimping my dps due to not bringing my high level pet, it would not seriously impact the group. Most people will probably not have a problem, but I think it is good to at least let them know.
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#22 Oct 15 2007 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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10-15% depending on which pet I happen to bring along with me that day.

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