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nooble, that should be a better thing then you realize

weapon swap hemo, vanish blink 3.5k ambushes, ap stack into 1200 hemo crits.... combat for sustained, assassination for burst

a solid 0-20-41 could have good potential

or hell go daggers, step into a stunlock/backstab chain after a mage blinks, that gives you TONS of time... save the cds and you got a full 20 seconds to do your business... open with garrote into a shiv and you got more time then that before they burn blink, but COS counters that

Edited, Oct 11th 2007 6:31pm by mongoosexcore

It's a huge PvE nerf.

Rogues didn't get the changes you wanted, but Warriors just got the crap nerfed out of them in PvE and PvP.

nooble, your thinking arena.... and it has its uses there, but yes sustained is a big problem in that case

but think in the way sub was meant to be

1v1

combat hemo 20-41 vs full glad 2-0-59 frost mage

play like normal, start it out hemo mode

garrote/shiv opener.. try to keep some points on him

when he blinks, step into a ks, then swap -> vanish -> ambush -> gouge -> swap back to hemo

with the 2 vanishs, a step at least maybe 2, 2 sprints and cos... trinket if ya really need to

thats SIX root breakers vs mage, 6 vs hunter

sub will become the anti-kite rogue, and i personally think a STRONG swap build could take out absolutely anything

kiting is the only MAIN way to kill a hemo rogue, in 1v1.... eliminate that, and ill take that over a AR/prep anyday... fun to play and wicked in 1v1... @#%^ arenas! ill go be the 1v1 king on my server!

and even in arena... the crazy sub rogue + high spell dmg destro lock might prove to be so much burst, itll kill a warrior healer combo, i dont care which healer

use step for utility there, step->kick, then vanish into a ambush... step is a 10 second buff... VERY possible

i will call it right now
full sub will be the BEST 1v1 build, and the darkhorse 2v2 build, but it will require the most skill intensive playstyle out of them all

i will be testing out swap/step on the ptr.... feel free to prove me wrong there >:D

Edited, Oct 11th 2007 8:05pm by mongoosexcore

haha, true story

although...

i will say this

a full backstab/step build might become a utility, in a team running warrior as lead dps

in drawn out fights, having a blink sap/cs/garrote/kick basically a blink cc might be a clutch thing.... full on dps on something then you vanish, blink garrote, and wait to kick

8 seconds of silence... no good heals at a critical time are instant, and if they are... its a talent with a large cooldown compared to step

maybe, but thats more of a 3v3 imo.... 5v5 ya, i might hafta agree there... unless they meant fleetfooted lmfao

This made me laugh, because I didn't notice at first, but:



Now, I know nobody gives a damn about BG anymore, but say good bye to /vanish /regrab flag.

Made me feel so ninja :(

And don't forget that, Deadly Throw can no longer proc Ruthlessness, yet they didn't give us any utility to compensate that. I need to spec lolstep to get mobility? Come on, this is a joke!

I'd like to see the cooldown on Shadowstep be reduced more then 40 seconds.

My build did however, escape the nerf bat this patch. Mut/Dirty Deeds BG build.

Fleet footed buff and Dirty Deeds buff, so looking forward to trying that out.

Well, i think the only reason for that was blind+chain cyclones for CC in PvE.

Doesnt really effect much more in PvE. Does effect PvP quite a bit as i would do a blind to buy time for the druid to get some HoTs out and start the cyclone chain.

When hasn't Sub been the #1 1v1 tree?

Pretty much. Most classes got small ones, but Warriors, Priests and Rogues got hit pretty hard. No more spammable DT, Warrior's Mace Spec nerfed, and Pain Suppression down to 40%.

LMFAO i laughed so hard when i read that! :)

and it hasnt been for a while.... anyone going deeper the prep (or MAYBE 30-0-31) is being silly imo

until next patch

but seriously.... :) thanks for the laugh, make me seem like a asshat <3

Forgot about that. 15 seconds is a long time in PvP. Pretty huge PvE buff, though. Fireball and Frostbolt get 10% more of their spell damage. I'd be excited about that for my mage alt (currently level 69) if I planned to ever PvE with him.

So...Here is my all around eval of the patch notes(and this is just bassed on exactly what the patch notes on blizz forums state):

Buffs:
Fleet Footed increased from 4%/8% to 8%/15% movement speed increase.

Deadly Throw missile speed inc and inc snare duration.

Shadowstep usable out of combat and reduces threat from next Ambush, Garrote or Backstab by 50%.


Nerfs:
Blind DR now same as Cyclone.

Expertise: replaces weapon skills and each point of expertise reduces the chance for your
attacks to be dodged or parried by 0.25%.

Riposte has DR in PvP.

Ruthlessness no longer works on Deadly Throw.

Shadowstep has a 40 sec cooldown(up from 15 sec).


Other:
1 hour poisons(not exactly a buff but very nice).

Kick always working.

No reagents for Blind(no buff, but also nice).

Remorseless Attacks no longer triggerable by death of rogues target dummy, ect.



That about sums up what 2.3 PTR patch notes said that DIRECTLY involves rogues, if I missed something, please tell me. I am only doing this as a breakdown of what happened to rogues with this patch for those curious/to lazy to look for themselves. And viewing it this way, we receive 3 buffs and 5 nerfs in this patch.


Source:http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2288042225&sid=1

Edited, Oct 16th 2007 6:38am by Nocthil