Hi Everyone -
I'm hoping you can help me with a problem. I'm asking this on behalf of my husband, a 62 Shammy, and the question is this. Are Shamans ALWAYS extremely mana inefficient? He's respecced about 4 times, and he's working on getting mp/5 gear, but it still seems that he has to sit and drink after every 2 mobs.
Is this normal or are there other things he should be taking into consideration. His mana pool is right around 5k atm. Are there other stats he should be more concerned with than int/spi/mp5 that may make him more efficient?
He does really well at keeping his gear up to date, we're just not sure of what we should be looking for with shammy's.
Any insight you have would be great!
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well first off im guessing ur huby is elemental or resto...
for elemental get 1/2 intelect and 1/2 +spell crit
with b;asting enchant on gloves and like me +30 intel on weap and highest intel enchants avaiable... i had 5.4k mana at lvl 53 soon i will have 8k thanks to gorgeous outland gearing.
the intellect will give him plenty of mana
while the +spell crit will make him crit more and help him save mana because if he crits elemental focus prots and his next spell is reduced by 60% mana which is neccisary for shaman mana comvervation
for resto he shouldnt have much of a problem... just got with +healing instead of intellect, maybe even some spirit here and there
edit: BTW im suprised to see sunsoarer hasnt been here yet :P must be a very recent thread
Edited, Oct 11th 2007 8:50pm by Draeneipally
for elemental get 1/2 intelect and 1/2 +spell crit
with b;asting enchant on gloves and like me +30 intel on weap and highest intel enchants avaiable... i had 5.4k mana at lvl 53 soon i will have 8k thanks to gorgeous outland gearing.
the intellect will give him plenty of mana
while the +spell crit will make him crit more and help him save mana because if he crits elemental focus prots and his next spell is reduced by 60% mana which is neccisary for shaman mana comvervation
for resto he shouldnt have much of a problem... just got with +healing instead of intellect, maybe even some spirit here and there
edit: BTW im suprised to see sunsoarer hasnt been here yet :P must be a very recent thread
Edited, Oct 11th 2007 8:50pm by Draeneipally
Draeneipally has summed it up pretty well.
What spec is your husband as this changes the answer to your question, as he is still leveling I am assuming one of the DPS Specs, and from your question about stats I assume Elemental.
Is this normal or are there other things he should be taking into consideration. His mana pool is right around 5k atm. Are there other stats he should be more concerned with than int/spi/mp5 that may make him more efficient?
5k mana is good at level 62, Shammy's have to work harder than other casters to buff out their mana pools, even then the trick is to work on your mana efficiency more than the base mana pool (to a degree).
There are 2 key talents to take.
Unrelenting Storm allows you to regenerate mana while casting, the amount regen'd is based on your intellect (up to 10% with 5 points) making Int doubly useful as it is also buffing out your base mana pool.
Elemental Focus reduces the mana cost of your next spell by 60% after you land a critical strike with a damage spell, this makes Spell Crit one of your more important stats.
At 62 I would recommend a build like this with a stat focus on Int, Spell Crit, Spell Damage then Mp5 if you can get it.
From here it is really going to depend on his playstyle and interests, for PvE he'll want to put 2 points in Nature's Guidance (Resto) then 5 in LO (elemental) after that he can choose between ToW and capping out NG. A bit like this.
If he wants to focus on Raiding ToW is compulsory so he may want to rearrange things a little to optimise, a bit like this.
Alternatively if he want's to PvP he's goint to want to run deeper into Resto for NS and probably take Earth's Grasp in Elem for the increased range on Earthbind. Something like this.
You could also drop Ancestral healing and Imp Reincarnation and fill out Imp Healing Wave in the first tier of Resto, I would also consider moving the 3 points in Elemental Precision to Elemental Shields.
Keep in mind that the changes to LO in 2.3 are going to dramatically effect PvP builds in particular.
What spec is your husband as this changes the answer to your question, as he is still leveling I am assuming one of the DPS Specs, and from your question about stats I assume Elemental.
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Is this normal or are there other things he should be taking into consideration. His mana pool is right around 5k atm. Are there other stats he should be more concerned with than int/spi/mp5 that may make him more efficient?
5k mana is good at level 62, Shammy's have to work harder than other casters to buff out their mana pools, even then the trick is to work on your mana efficiency more than the base mana pool (to a degree).
There are 2 key talents to take.
Unrelenting Storm allows you to regenerate mana while casting, the amount regen'd is based on your intellect (up to 10% with 5 points) making Int doubly useful as it is also buffing out your base mana pool.
Elemental Focus reduces the mana cost of your next spell by 60% after you land a critical strike with a damage spell, this makes Spell Crit one of your more important stats.
At 62 I would recommend a build like this with a stat focus on Int, Spell Crit, Spell Damage then Mp5 if you can get it.
From here it is really going to depend on his playstyle and interests, for PvE he'll want to put 2 points in Nature's Guidance (Resto) then 5 in LO (elemental) after that he can choose between ToW and capping out NG. A bit like this.
If he wants to focus on Raiding ToW is compulsory so he may want to rearrange things a little to optimise, a bit like this.
Alternatively if he want's to PvP he's goint to want to run deeper into Resto for NS and probably take Earth's Grasp in Elem for the increased range on Earthbind. Something like this.
You could also drop Ancestral healing and Imp Reincarnation and fill out Imp Healing Wave in the first tier of Resto, I would also consider moving the 3 points in Elemental Precision to Elemental Shields.
Keep in mind that the changes to LO in 2.3 are going to dramatically effect PvP builds in particular.
My 63 Resto Shaman focuses mainly on +spell dmg, mp5, and intellect in that order, for my solo gear. I have around 7k mana unbuffed. For my healing gear it's the same order, but replace +spell dmg with +healing. My +healing is 563 in my healing gear and my +spell dmg is around +390 when in my soloing gear.
I'd say focus on +spell dmg and +intellect; mp5 is great but it's more for long fights where you really need the mana regen.
If you're around his level, you two could quest together, which would greatly reduce downtime. When I quest with a hunter friend or a druid friend, I drink maybe every 8 mobs.
I hope this helped.
Edited, Oct 14th 2007 7:12pm by GWynand
I'd say focus on +spell dmg and +intellect; mp5 is great but it's more for long fights where you really need the mana regen.
If you're around his level, you two could quest together, which would greatly reduce downtime. When I quest with a hunter friend or a druid friend, I drink maybe every 8 mobs.
I hope this helped.
Edited, Oct 14th 2007 7:12pm by GWynand
*nods at above posts*
I have 1 thing to add....
Knowing his spec would be nice because that changes playstyle extensively. I have no knowledge of the Elemental or Resto spec(I have been enhancement nearly all they way but spec'd Resto at 55 and ran BFD and it was so much fun with my freinds and guildies there, I could agro alot with Earth Sheild! But I digress.) If he is enhancement then unless he is in scrub gear then he should be fine.
EDIT: Thats pretty low mana for resto or ele spec. My 62 enhancement shaman has 6k mana with his healing/spell casting DPS gear and has about 100 damage and 300 healing in that too.
Edited, Oct 13th 2007 9:34pm by Mizzoulover
I have 1 thing to add....
Knowing his spec would be nice because that changes playstyle extensively. I have no knowledge of the Elemental or Resto spec(I have been enhancement nearly all they way but spec'd Resto at 55 and ran BFD and it was so much fun with my freinds and guildies there, I could agro alot with Earth Sheild! But I digress.) If he is enhancement then unless he is in scrub gear then he should be fine.
EDIT: Thats pretty low mana for resto or ele spec. My 62 enhancement shaman has 6k mana with his healing/spell casting DPS gear and has about 100 damage and 300 healing in that too.
Edited, Oct 13th 2007 9:34pm by Mizzoulover
Ok, I finally found out that he's 23/30 Elem/Enh. Can this possibly be a viable spec? I DO know that he's doing great damage, and not having to sit and drink nearly as often, so maybe? I can't link to his armory from here, but if you would like the details, and are so inclined, his toon is Lypid on Azjol-Nerub.
I think he's planning on a respec at 70.... going resto to be a better main healer for our group.
Any thoughts you may have on this would be great!
I think he's planning on a respec at 70.... going resto to be a better main healer for our group.
Any thoughts you may have on this would be great!
The upcoming patch should help shaman efficiency a lot. Lightning bolt and chain lightning are getting their mana costs reduced, 2-handed talent is being replaced with one that will lower shock mana cost, mana spring is getting buffed (from 12 m/t to 20 m/t untalented iirc), and water shield mechanics are changing so that you don't necessarily need to get hit to restore mana.
Yes: due to the 5-second rule, spirit is essentially useless for a shaman.
It's an awkward spec due to conflicting gear needs. I hate to say it (damn pigeon-holing), but specializing in either spells or melee would probably increase efficiency.
Resto's much better with efficiency; just down-rank your heals. Grinding is painful though, as you have the damage potency of a wet noodle.
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Are there other stats he should be more concerned with than int/spi/mp5 that may make him more efficient?
Yes: due to the 5-second rule, spirit is essentially useless for a shaman.
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Ok, I finally found out that he's 23/30 Elem/Enh. Can this possibly be a viable spec?
It's an awkward spec due to conflicting gear needs. I hate to say it (damn pigeon-holing), but specializing in either spells or melee would probably increase efficiency.
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I think he's planning on a respec at 70.... going resto to be a better main healer for our group.
Resto's much better with efficiency; just down-rank your heals. Grinding is painful though, as you have the damage potency of a wet noodle.
Whilst leveling resto - After I got water shield - I found I could go without drinking for 10+ fights in a row. The fights took longer, but I never had to drink.
Basically flame shock, drop fire totem, and mana spring. Keep reapplying water shield when it runs out and whack away with your weapon/heal as needed. You should never get below 1/2 mana unless you get more than 1 mob on you.
Basically flame shock, drop fire totem, and mana spring. Keep reapplying water shield when it runs out and whack away with your weapon/heal as needed. You should never get below 1/2 mana unless you get more than 1 mob on you.
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