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#1 Oct 09 2007 at 8:40 PM Rating: Default
I'm a level 62 elemental shaman and i would like to know which spec is better for DPS and sruvial Elemental or Enhancement.
#2 Oct 09 2007 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
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They are both good, just very different playstyles, how well the perform will be based on how well you have geared yourself. Try them both and play the one you enjoy.
#3 Oct 11 2007 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
gotta love sunsoarer... always beating me to my answers... :P

and giving great shammy related advice =)

/bows

Edited, Oct 11th 2007 9:00pm by Draeneipally
#4 Oct 30 2007 at 4:23 AM Rating: Default
well depends u wanna depend on mana or when u run out of mana u can still dps with windfury and let ur mana regen
#5 Oct 31 2007 at 12:43 AM Rating: Default
I think elemental has the edge v. enhance as most PvP elem tend to have the 20 pts resto for the +5% crit on lightning, also larger pool so surviving is easier. Not for nothing are enhance shammies known as 'suicide shammy'. SuiSham is an excellent shock troop, allies always freak when one arrives in their midst, have healer supporting him and watch the blood flow.
#6 Oct 31 2007 at 4:21 AM Rating: Default
yeah but with elemental gud luck tryna find mail that adds to spell dmg and such that casters would want, if u wear cloth which is where ull find most of ur +spell dmg and such an enhance wud rip u to shreds with dual wield and ur +5 crit to lightning is the same as throwing down a grace of air totem my friend
#7 Oct 31 2007 at 4:58 AM Rating: Good
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yeah but with elemental gud luck tryna find mail that adds to spell dmg and such that casters would want

Never been to Outlands I presume? +spell dmg mail is all over the place there. Just ask any Hunter.

Having been Enhancement to lvl 58 and Elemental for the last 2 levels, I'd say both are good, but Elemental is more fun IMO. Enhancement is a lot of auto attack and praying for a nice bit Windfury Crit. Elemental is more interactive but has more downtime as you have pretty much zero chance of surviving an encounter if you're OOM.

Edited, Oct 31st 2007 9:08am by Rasen
#8REDACTED, Posted: Oct 31 2007 at 5:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) yes i have ben to outlands and i havent seen one piece of mail with spell dmg and i got a 68 hunter so i actually look for mail and run instances regularly and still no piece of mail with spell dmg
#9 Oct 31 2007 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
You make no sense dude. Spelldamage mail is all over the place and instead of throwing down a grace of air totem you would put a wrath of air. I dont really understand what arguments youre trying to make.
#10REDACTED, Posted: Oct 31 2007 at 6:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) so u post when ur not sure wat the argument is, neway im just sayin i havent seen ne mail with spell damage at earlier lvls neway not sayin it doesnt exist just sayin havent seen it, and for the other for a one on one duel for me =(enhance) him= (elemental)were talking about which is beter elemental or enhancement that is the discussion neway i would not throw down a wrath of air totem for an enhancement shaman totem of strength, grace of air, is the main totems id use for a duel elemental shamans are for burst damage which is gud but enhance with a stormstrike with windfury hit nething u hit with that you have the upper hand
#11 Oct 31 2007 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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First, I have a level 70 hunter, there is PLENTY of mail out there with plus spell damage in outlands.

Second, Zaishen, at least use SOME grammar when you type in here; don't give me excuses. If you are going to debate a topic, spell the words out like you have a lick of intelligence.

Third, and most important, spec and gear will only take you so far. Skill>Spec>Gear.

Skill is the cake towards the way you play. If you don't have the skill of what to and not to do (what totems and spells to use and not to use), you won't bode well as that Spec.

Speccing towards what your main focus is will spice your skills with some new clickies and some goodies.

Gear is your icing, it gives what you do best some more power, survival and mainstay.

Elemental shamans i would say are far from burst dps compared to an enhancement 2 handed shaman that depends on triple crit windury procs. As far as who can beat who, it all depends on my 3rd statement.
#12 Oct 31 2007 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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so u post when ur not sure wat the argument is, neway im just sayin i havent seen ne mail with spell damage at earlier lvls neway not sayin it doesnt exist just sayin havent seen it, and for the other for a one on one duel for me =(enhance) him= (elemental)were talking about which is beter elemental or enhancement that is the discussion neway i would not throw down a wrath of air totem for an enhancement shaman totem of strength, grace of air, is the main totems id use for a duel elemental shamans are for burst damage which is gud but enhance with a stormstrike with windfury hit nething u hit with that you have the upper hand


I do know what the argument is. I'm a level 62 elemental shaman and i would like to know which spec is better for DPS and sruvial Elemental or Enhancement. That is the original message in the thread. I said i didnt know what argument YOU were making because the topic of the trhead is not "Who Would Win 1v1 Elemental or Enhancement Shaman."

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I'm a level 62 elemental shaman and i would like to know which spec is better for DPS and sruvial Elemental or Enhancement.

Enhancement is known as suicide spec for a reason.

Edited, Oct 31st 2007 4:38pm by sensemeister
#13 Oct 31 2007 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Zaishen, Use grammar/correct spelling!
spellcheck your posts.

You have shown post after post that you cant take the effort to spell and you're not saying anything useful or true either.
So until i can see some sort of improvement i´ll rate each of these terrible mind numbingly bad spelled posts down.






Note: no one expects perfect english but at least try to not make a million errors per sentence.

edit± note...

Edited, Nov 1st 2007 7:11am by Aethien
#14 Nov 01 2007 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
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many of the new quests in outlands provide plenty of mail and leath with spell damage, and some gear in the instances as well. I often changed specs on my way to 70 and grabbed allot of gear for each, I will also say helps if you are LW, you get lots of pieces for either ele or enh, and covered in sockets so that ele gear can be ghetto res gear.

GL grinding in outlands and doing the instances as a shaman where a blast for me ^^

BTW, don't be a slacker work on those reps all of them generally have something for you to use =P
#15REDACTED, Posted: Nov 01 2007 at 4:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok this is a forum and i honestly dont care if i get marked up or not and this is not english class so i do not have to use any grammar at all. Enhancement is better for lvling and resto will get you into instances always hands down.
#16 Nov 01 2007 at 7:05 AM Rating: Decent
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zaishen wrote:
ok this is a forum and i honestly dont care if i get marked up or not and this is not english class so i do not have to use any grammar at all


No, you do not have to use proper English and Grammar on this or any forum. It is, however, polite to make an effort to do so. You'll also be taken more seriously.

OP: Try both and see. Personally as a Shaman I prefer to get in there and dirty so I went Enhancement and haven't looked back. But I say try both, fiddle around and see which suites your playstyle best.
#17 Nov 01 2007 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Please remember zaishen playing wow is not always about better or best, many ppl play for fun as well, I recently watched a video of a moonkin tank kara and gruuls, was it better, probably not, but could it have been more fun, I think so.

#18 Nov 02 2007 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Never been to Outlands I presume? +spell dmg mail is all over the place there. Just ask any Hunter.


I lol'd.

Anyway for DPS the 2 spec's are fairly even, for survival Elemental all the way...

On a side note though suicide builds are Enhance/Elem hybrid builds, not straight enhancement or enh/resto builds.
#19 Nov 03 2007 at 1:41 AM Rating: Decent
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From what I have seen is that starting off Elemental is thew way to go.

Any of my higher level freinds say that a Geared out Enhancement shaman is a VERY scary thing.

The difference is, elemental does not require as much gear as Enhancement. Elemental can dish out good damage from the start, enhancement requires you to get some good tier items before you can really own.



#20 Nov 06 2007 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
I think my SuiShammy comment may have wound-up Zaishen who, I would guess, plays enchancement.

Anyway, as people have pointed out, what suits your style of play is the way to go. One thing I can definitely say in support of ElemShammy is if you spec for PvP, using either 31/0/20 or 30/0/21, then you will have enough resto to be able to heal instances up to and including BRD, which my shammy did, no wipes, etc. Higher than that and a full resto spec is probably needed, didn't try with the PvP spec so can't comment either way.
#21 Nov 13 2007 at 1:36 PM Rating: Default
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Oh my. I was bouncing around the shammy forums looking for some information/opinions/advice and came across this - the Scholar's beating on Zai! Personally, I'm a stickler for proper grammar, and it tends to irk me in real-life if someone spells as if they're on a mobile phone (the inappropriate use of commas with conjunctions in a complex sentence also irks me).

But, come on guys, let up. I know a load of people playing this game to whom English is a second language. There's a number of folk I chat to and help out in the game who are 12 years old or younger. With on line communication being abbreviated in order to save typing time, as well as the potential intricasies of typing in a second language, typing with a vocabulary of the young, or typing in haste to get your point across, there's a lot of factors to take into account.

So, I'm with you Zai! I read your message and the concept was immediately understood! Keep on abbreviating and paraphrasing and using anacronyms and gutteral sounds as you like! As you said, this ain't English class! Its a game! I hold degrees in science and have written research and am workin on a postgrad doc degree atm as well as a masters and I hate typing to the full while having fun as I have to do enough of that in realife Meet me in Stormwind, I'll buy ya a pint!
Type as you want!

Unless, of course, you become president, in which case I'd appreciate your adopting proper grammar, as I'd hate to see the simple order reading 'lunch' typed out as 'launch'.

Viva la Zai,
Oz


Edited, Nov 13th 2007 9:45pm by OzoneSSX
#22 Nov 13 2007 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
Enhancement is not suicide. I have played both specs and I like enhance more, except it gets boring. You just stormstrike and earth shock...
#23 Nov 13 2007 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Oh my. I was bouncing around the shammy forums looking for some information/opinions/advice and came across this - the Scholar's beating on Zai! Personally, I'm a stickler for proper grammar, and it tends to irk me in real-life if someone spells as if they're on a mobile phone (the inappropriate use of commas with conjunctions in a complex sentence also irks me).

But, come on guys, let up. I know a load of people playing this game to whom English is a second language. There's a number of folk I chat to and help out in the game who are 12 years old or younger. With on line communication being abbreviated in order to save typing time, as well as the potential intricasies of typing in a second language, typing with a vocabulary of the young, or typing in haste to get your point across, there's a lot of factors to take into account.


No, just no. TBH I am disgusted to see someone who claims to be educated cultivating and supporting the degradation of the English language.

Zai's posts in this thread are abysmal, there is absolutely no effort made to spell correctly, punctuate, use proper grammar or sentence structure or even to make his questions/statements/arguments understandable.

He has at least two posts in this thread that actually don't make sense at all, it really is that bad, yet he expects us to consider his opinions valid and his arguments sound...

I won't accept the "foreign defense". Two reasons, first of all the nature of his errors, misspellings like "wud", "ur", "neway". These are not the errors of a non-english speaker struggling with the language, they are the errors of a lazy git who can't be asked.

Second of all in my experience non-english speakers commonly make far more of an effort to post clearly and correctly than most english speakers. They are aware of the fact it is not their native tongue and will really try to make themselves clearly understood. The errors will tend towards incorrect tenses and the like.

Anyway, the point stands, if you want to be understood show some effort. If you want to be treated with respect show some.

Edit: Spelling, ain't that a kicker.

Edited, Nov 14th 2007 2:01am by SunSoarer
#24 Nov 13 2007 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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LOL. OK, I stand humbled, Sun has spoken (no offence, I've been reading quite a few posts and appreciate the advice you've offered and respect your familiarity with WoW).

Was my first 'true' visit to the forums tonight - reading as opposed to digging for specific advice. First night off in two weeks following a recent 72 hours of solid hardcore study. Stress levels high. Sleep levels low. I get a bit emotional and impulsive (and frankly, a bit off-kilter) over these exam weeks (thankfully, my girl (Sprite) just accepts me at these times (and doesn't own a handgun)).

Came in after 6 solid hours of exams today, stressed out of my mind, then hit up the forums and came across this post, seeing three against one (I mean, comon, I'm alliance :) ). Didn't bother to research background, just hopped on the 'white horse of justice and smiting' (it's name is 'Binky', soon to be changed to 'Myridersanarse') out of pent up frustration.

Looking back now, and running a few searches, I ask forgiveness for my short sightedness and apologise to anyone I may have offended or speculated upon. I can offer the excuse of lack of sleep and stress, but fully understand and accept that you all may speculate that I'm an *ss.

Also, apologies to Shahed for thread hijack.

So much for first impressions, huh? Apologies around. I may try to back out the door unnoticed and then try to re-enter.

/Oz, post-edit, going to crawl under a rock and get some sleep.

Edited, Nov 13th 2007 9:55pm by OzoneSSX
#25 Nov 13 2007 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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My god if there are any more warm-fuzzy touchy-feely getting-to-know-ya "Just call me Christopher, my door is always open" platitudes Im going to puke.

Seriously.

~sins
#26 Nov 13 2007 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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No hard feelings Oz, welcome to Alla anyway.

I won't say any more cause I'm afraid of Sin. Smiley: nod
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