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I heard that druids get +2 attack power for every strength...is this true?
It is.
Also, with the Heart of the Wild talent, it becomes 2.4 in Cat form only.
Also, with the Heart of the Wild talent, it becomes 2.4 in Cat form only.
Which is going to be changed with WotLK, as (look in nearby threads) it was confirmed that HotW will give 10% AP bonus instead of 20% Str bonus.
So yes, right now
Strength gives 2AP / 1Str , which goes 2,4AP / 1Str in Cat Form with HotW.
Agility gives 1AP / 1Agi in Cat Form only.
So yes, right now
Strength gives 2AP / 1Str , which goes 2,4AP / 1Str in Cat Form with HotW.
Agility gives 1AP / 1Agi in Cat Form only.
It is so true, i was surprised when I found out, it's making Smite's Mighty Hammer look all the more delicious for my lvl 22 Drood.
But with that try not to get too much strength, you need the precious agi for your dodge and crit.
But with that try not to get too much strength, you need the precious agi for your dodge and crit.
Well how much is too much strength? How do you know when to balance out str and agi?
If you have under 1200 ap (at 70) boost strength. If you have over 1200 build strength and agi equally.
That's for after 2.3. Right now the key point's at 2000 instead of 1200.
That's for after 2.3. Right now the key point's at 2000 instead of 1200.
It all depends on what form you're in.
Cat form you'll be wanting more agi than str for the all important crits and dodges.
Bear Form you'll be wanting more Str to keep the aggro on mobs better.
Cat form you'll be wanting more agi than str for the all important crits and dodges.
Bear Form you'll be wanting more Str to keep the aggro on mobs better.
RuinatorVek wrote:
It all depends on what form you're in.
Cat form you'll be wanting more agi than str for the all important crits and dodges.
Bear Form you'll be wanting more Str to keep the aggro on mobs better.
Cat form you'll be wanting more agi than str for the all important crits and dodges.
Bear Form you'll be wanting more Str to keep the aggro on mobs better.
Not quite. In fact, I have more Agility in my Bear armor than I do kitty, as crits are far more important for rage generation; I already have 28% crit in cat (slightly better than 1 in 4 strikes crit), and prefer the sustained damage generated by more Strength. In fact, like selebrin says, your damage output favors Strength up to a point, so it's not clear cut that one stat is more important than the other for a particular form.
Is 13% crit rate at level 31 good?
I keep suspecting i have too much Agility and too little Strength..
I keep suspecting i have too much Agility and too little Strength..
In my experience, it is impossible to get a good crit rate at lower levels. You're just missing all the tasty talents that give free crit rate and the like. (Sharpened Claws, Leader of the Pack, etc)
As such, I would definitely advise to focus more on Strength to boost your base damage, making your Claw-spam more effective. Also, since you don't have Primal Fury yet, getting crits won't be as useful.
Finally, with big sacrifices in Str for Agi, your crits will only do a bit more damage, than regular Claw hits if you boosted your Str instead.
Yet, in the end, I, too, tend to try to get much Agi too early in my Druidic levels. So you'll be fine anyway.
Note: I just checked my own armory and it seems like I left my latest Druid at 31 as well. My crit rate is just below 13% (12.63%) and I believe I was doing fine.
As such, I would definitely advise to focus more on Strength to boost your base damage, making your Claw-spam more effective. Also, since you don't have Primal Fury yet, getting crits won't be as useful.
Finally, with big sacrifices in Str for Agi, your crits will only do a bit more damage, than regular Claw hits if you boosted your Str instead.
Yet, in the end, I, too, tend to try to get much Agi too early in my Druidic levels. So you'll be fine anyway.
Note: I just checked my own armory and it seems like I left my latest Druid at 31 as well. My crit rate is just below 13% (12.63%) and I believe I was doing fine.
Norellicus wrote:
RuinatorVek wrote:
It all depends on what form you're in.
Cat form you'll be wanting more agi than str for the all important crits and dodges.
Bear Form you'll be wanting more Str to keep the aggro on mobs better.
Cat form you'll be wanting more agi than str for the all important crits and dodges.
Bear Form you'll be wanting more Str to keep the aggro on mobs better.
Not quite. In fact, I have more Agility in my Bear armor than I do kitty, as crits are far more important for rage generation; I already have 28% crit in cat (slightly better than 1 in 4 strikes crit), and prefer the sustained damage generated by more Strength. In fact, like selebrin says, your damage output favors Strength up to a point, so it's not clear cut that one stat is more important than the other for a particular form.
I wholeheartedly second the "not quite." Agility is my second most important stat for both cat and bear. Bears need to dodge (and crit) at least as much as cats need to crit.
Cat: Strength > Agility >>> Stamina
Bear: Stamina > Agility >>> Strength
So if I have 1360 attack power in cat form at lvl 65, I'm not doing "that badly?"
I mostly have greens and a few quest reward blues - maybe one instance blue.
I find I kill things pretty easily and can maintain a fast grinding rate. Some earth eles give me a tad more trouble, I assume because they have high AC and because I can't use all my tricks on them (no faerie fire, no bleed effects - just maul maul maul maul bite (and sometimes tiger's fury)).
When I hit 66 I plan to instance more as a tank or dps/backup healer. At 66 I'll have lacerate. (although in truth I don't have much trouble tanking w/out it - some, but not much).
Anyway, the mostly green/quest reward gear I've been getting is stamina heavy and a little light on Str. So my stats are sta, then str, then agi. I'm an herb/alch, so I usually have an agi potion on, which keeps my crit hit chance over 25% (27 ish?). Should I nevertheless go for more str for cat form?
Edited, Oct 15th 2007 3:03pm by IponemaGirl
I mostly have greens and a few quest reward blues - maybe one instance blue.
I find I kill things pretty easily and can maintain a fast grinding rate. Some earth eles give me a tad more trouble, I assume because they have high AC and because I can't use all my tricks on them (no faerie fire, no bleed effects - just maul maul maul maul bite (and sometimes tiger's fury)).
When I hit 66 I plan to instance more as a tank or dps/backup healer. At 66 I'll have lacerate. (although in truth I don't have much trouble tanking w/out it - some, but not much).
Anyway, the mostly green/quest reward gear I've been getting is stamina heavy and a little light on Str. So my stats are sta, then str, then agi. I'm an herb/alch, so I usually have an agi potion on, which keeps my crit hit chance over 25% (27 ish?). Should I nevertheless go for more str for cat form?
Edited, Oct 15th 2007 3:03pm by IponemaGirl
selebrin wrote:
If you have under 1200 ap (at 70) boost strength. If you have over 1200 build strength and agi equally.
That's for after 2.3. Right now the key point's at 2000 instead of 1200.
That's for after 2.3. Right now the key point's at 2000 instead of 1200.
Well this thread seems as good as any to ask. Can someone tell me the base line stats to be shooting for at level 70 for a druid entering Kara? Both tank and dps stats.
We have a pretty standard base line we tell warriors over in our forum so I figured I'd ask here for my up and coming druid. Just got her to 68 :D
I'm with Jim - if anyone could pls give us some basic stats to shoot for, from 65 up (I know it's a lot to ask - just lvl 65 and his question, rdy to go to Kara - would be awesome)? Thanks much!
Non-mathematic, non-scientific anecdotal 2 cents (come on, I'm on Alla to avoid work, not to do more):
My druid is level 52 and plays solo all the time. She's dressed all in greens since she never does instances or bg's. She's wearing equal parts AGI and STA, with half as much STR.
I have no problems questing/grinding efficiently. It's not a problem for me to take 3 mobs (same level to about 2 higher, depending on how many casters we're talking about) at a time, and single targets are mostly dead by the time they recover from my pounce. I rarely die and when I do it's because my pounce missed, I did something stupid like hit the wrong key, or I was trying to eat cake while fighting.
I know other people do more damage and are more efficient than I am. Once I hit Outlands and it's time to re-gear I'll probably balance my stats better. I'm sure my fights against multiple mobs in bear form would end more quickly with more STR. But for what I'm doing now, I'm perfectly happy.
My druid is level 52 and plays solo all the time. She's dressed all in greens since she never does instances or bg's. She's wearing equal parts AGI and STA, with half as much STR.
I have no problems questing/grinding efficiently. It's not a problem for me to take 3 mobs (same level to about 2 higher, depending on how many casters we're talking about) at a time, and single targets are mostly dead by the time they recover from my pounce. I rarely die and when I do it's because my pounce missed, I did something stupid like hit the wrong key, or I was trying to eat cake while fighting.
I know other people do more damage and are more efficient than I am. Once I hit Outlands and it's time to re-gear I'll probably balance my stats better. I'm sure my fights against multiple mobs in bear form would end more quickly with more STR. But for what I'm doing now, I'm perfectly happy.
On my lvl 37 druid I have just over 17% of crit. Am I focusing then way too much on AGI compared to STR? If you want you can check him in the armory, Yyz Stormreaver EU.
IponemaGirl wrote:
if anyone could pls give us some basic stats to shoot for, from 65 up (I know it's a lot to ask - just lvl 65 and his question, rdy to go to Kara - would be awesome)? Thanks much!
Caveats: I'm not the best equipped to answer this question because I'm not even Kara-keyed myself, I hardly ever even run the 5-mans due to time constraints, and I didn't pay too close attention to my stats at 65.
But since nobody else has answered yet I'll throw my best effort onto the table. The 65 numbers might be high or low, but I'm pretty confident that the level 70 numbers represent a good target and solid "Kara-readiness" because I've been told I'm good to go as soon as I get keyed.
Cat Form
- Level 65 aim for 1500 AP and 29% crit
- Level 70 aim for 2000 AP and 33% crit
Bear Form
- Level 65 aim for 13k armor and 10k HP
- Level 70 aim for 20k armor and 13k HP
- Oh yeah and make sure you have 415 defense rating, that's uncrittable for us thanks to Survival of the Fittest talent
- Dodge is important too, but I've been flaky about tracking/optimizing my dodge in bear so have no advice on that front. Sorry.
Edited, Oct 15th 2007 1:39pm by JeeBar
Thanks. In Cat Form, w/ potion, I'm close to what I should aim for.
In bear, I'm over 1k low on hit points and also low on AC. But a lot of my gear is 61-ish and not 65. When I instance, I hope some nice blues will drop!
Any of the instances better for feral blue drops than others (if anyone happens to remember, I think I'll go scan the loot tables). Thanks
In bear, I'm over 1k low on hit points and also low on AC. But a lot of my gear is 61-ish and not 65. When I instance, I hope some nice blues will drop!
Any of the instances better for feral blue drops than others (if anyone happens to remember, I think I'll go scan the loot tables). Thanks
Don't trust the accuracy of my numbers enough to worry about being 1,000 high or low. : )
As far as your shopping list, this thread is a must-read must-bookmark godsend for feral druids in their late 60s: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=6;mid=1184859383323516343;num=1;page=1
The second post is a list of (relatively) easily obtainable tanking gear, and a bit further down the page page is a list of DPS gear.
As far as your shopping list, this thread is a must-read must-bookmark godsend for feral druids in their late 60s: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=6;mid=1184859383323516343;num=1;page=1
The second post is a list of (relatively) easily obtainable tanking gear, and a bit further down the page page is a list of DPS gear.
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