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#1 Oct 09 2007 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
Yesterday night I tanked OH for the very first time and we beat it on our first try. I respecced to prot from ret about 2 weeks ago and I've been loving every minute of it! Through one run i went from nuetral to halfway to honored! I have the crystalforged sword which I scored the other day but I am going to get the continuum blade and pants from rep there.

We only wiped once and that was on epoch but we came back and ended up me and one other person were the only surivors of the next try. But we won! hehe.

I was wondering, now that I am used to tanking and I did well here, what else should i be doing? I have 491 def and still need a good red slot gem and enchant for my gloves and weapon. Spelldamage is going on the wep but what of my gloves, spell damage there as well for more damage / increased threat?

Prot is pretty cool- I only lost aggro like.. I think under 5 times in the whole instance.. It's insane how good your defense is when you go past 470 into the 90's. Check out my gear, I know my shield sucks =p. What instances should i be doing now? (new to these last instances). I kinda want the devilshark cape and the adamantite figurine as well as a good tank ring to put me around 500 defense. Suggestions??

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gul%27dan&n=Inforce
#2 Oct 09 2007 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Both of the rings that I have right now are ok tanking rings and are not to hard to get. here is my armory http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kel%27Thuzad&n=Rannagne
#3 Oct 09 2007 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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First off, don't bother at all with Continuum Blade if you already have Crystalforged Sword. 3 more Intellect over 11 Block Rating FTL! It's the best Paly tank sword until SSC.

That said, the Defense and Mitigation sticky should have all the gear info you need. Quick points though: you have 490 Defense, start getting raw mitigation stats. Dodge, Parry, but mostly Block will do you more good now than more Defense. Try to get the combination of those 3, plus Miss chance while Holy Shield is up, to be 102.4%. Again, you should be able to find how to calculate this in said sticky. Once you reach that number, get as much Stamina as possible.

Couple things to go for: Sha'tar rep, I am still using the exalted shield until the Kara shield drops off Nightbane. As you stated Keepers of Time rep for the legs and their tanking Glyph. And replace everything you have with Resilience/Agility/Attack Power. It positively does jack for a tank. It's good gear, so keep it just in case, but for tanking get those replaced first.
#4 Oct 10 2007 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a quick question regarding my pally I am now at 488 def. but my avoidance is still way short of the 102.4% I am working on getting the legs from keepers of the time and a new belt but I don't think that the 2 new item will get me that much more avoidance. Right now my calculations give me 88.08% avoidance.

What else should I look to upgrade? Link to my armor is a post or 2 up for here.

Thx for the help.
#5 Oct 10 2007 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
Look at Thels' sticky for detailed (as much detail as you could possibly want) gear upgrades.

Alternatively you can look at my armory, as there are a few pieces that I have that are better than yours and all of it is pre-kara.

Link in sig.
#6 Oct 10 2007 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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The Honorable CapJack wrote:
Look at Thels' sticky for detailed (as much detail as you could possibly want) gear upgrades.

Alternatively you can look at my armory, as there are a few pieces that I have that are better than yours and all of it is pre-kara.

Link in sig.


Jack's Prot again??? How did I miss the memo :S
#7 Oct 12 2007 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
I'm a big flip-flopper apparently lol.

No this is what happened:

Me: I'm going to try healing, I'm going to go to SH.
Group in SH: You are awesome join our guild!
Me: OK Sure.
-----Join guild, do runs, get Kara ready healing gear-----
-----Leading up to Kara-----
Me: I used to be a tank.
Guild: We have only 1 tank.
Me: I will go back to being a tank then.


And having better gear than the other tank (also a Paladin), I ended up being the MT for our Kara run yesterday.

I also ended up getting uncrushable by accident when I finally got my Jade-Skull Breastplate and SH-Tanking-Trinket-That-I-Forget-The-Name-of.
#8 Oct 12 2007 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, you living on through me was fun while it lasted ;)
#9 Oct 15 2007 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
Oh I still will, until I catch up to you which will probably never happen until the expansion, when everything gets reset again.
#10 Oct 15 2007 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know. The way participation has been in my guild as of late we may never kill Prince again, let alone get into Mag and beyond =/
#11 Oct 22 2007 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
well an update to my old thread! heh. Been tanking up a storm in Shattered halls and can finish it usually 1 wipe or none. 1 more run an i get my key. Im excited.. It's cool to get compliments on Paladins being great tanks after doing so well. I have a few pieces of gear to replace, and also have a ring of impenetrable defense in my mailbox! score!

Looking at my gear (im on gul'dan) and the fact that ive been running SH without a hitch do you think I should try heroic ramps when i get my key ? Defense is at 494 and spelldamage is well above 200 so holding aggro isnt a problem.. and ive survived some particularly nasty stuff in SH. Before i go and jump into heroics I am going to replace my shield, and my veterans boots - and throw on that new ring i have. My defense should be over 500 at that point or at 500ish.

I rrrreeeally want some of those badge turn ins!
#12 Oct 23 2007 at 6:05 AM Rating: Decent
Get your block to about 16-17% unbuffed then go for it, looking at your armory, thats the only area that I would say needs to be worked on before you do heroics.

More blocking = less damage and more threat, so it is kinda important.

The only reason im the MT for our guild is because of that, the other tank has higher hp, higher armor, higher spelldamage, but his block is about 10% lower than mine, actually 15 cause he doesnt have the libram. So thats a big deal for bosses in kara.

However, your armory looks MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the first time I looked at it, so good job on that.
#13 Oct 23 2007 at 11:56 PM Rating: Decent
Yah ive been running nonstop for the past 3 weeks since i respecced from ret- and its been a long haul. Fun though. I didnt dare start tanking-tanking till a few days ago, didn't want to cause wipes (i wish more people would be courteous like that.. and dont go in things when theyre under or not geared right for something).

Yah I'll work on my block and get a new shield as well. I feel the limitations of my shield as it is- its at least 1k armor lower than the good ones and the stats are less.. though its stam is nice.

Well tonight i'm farming for the ring of impenetreble defense in my mailbox. Ill replace the spelldamage horseman's signet with it.. so ill have a delicate eternum / roid ring combo.

Tonight I ran durn and had absolutely no wipes and no problems. Perfect tanking so im pretty excited. I am looking forward to seeing more instances now.

btw any suggestions for my build please let me know- I got the build off one of these threads and just was checking it out but never changed it. seems to work alright but let me know what would be most effective for 5mans/heroics
#14 Oct 24 2007 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
Well your gear is more than good enough to tank normals, like I said the extra block % will definately help before you get into heroics.

As for your build, Conviction is pretty much useless, max out anticipation (I'll tell you why later) and throw the other point in Guardian's Favor.

Now you might be thinking that you already have enough defense, so that extra point in Anticipation would be pretty much useless.

Here's the real deal though: much of the armor that you have is going to be replaced as you gear up in order to get that block% higher. As your block % gets higher, you are going to have to dip into other stats which you might be over the threshhold on. Your stamina will probably go lower, and your defense will probably lower as well.

Is that block really worth dropping those other stats? If you want to be a tank in a raiding instance they are. I personally wouldn't shell out any money for that ring, as there are other rings out there for free which are as good or better.

Right now I'm trying to boost my stamina, however, I cannot take anything that lowers my defense rating at all, and I'm only about 1.5% over full avoidance, so anything that drops me below that is out of the question. There are a few pieces that I'm looking at that will help me with this (Bracers of the Green Fortitude), but until then I'm pretty much locked in my gear at the moment.
#15 Oct 24 2007 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
Yah i have been trying to get bracers of the green fortress.. been spamming/2 for a few days but my server gul'dan has only like 4 raiding guilds so you have to be on at the right moment to score. I think those would be good bracers till something better drops down the line. Right now im gonna go try and figure out ways to get my block up higher.
#16 Nov 06 2007 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent
Hey jack, just finished my first run in kara! Well cleared the 1st boss anyways. It was a blast and I held and picked up aggro beautifully! Even on the boss. It was like glue on me. Spammed holy shield and my trinkets and did great.
#17 Nov 06 2007 at 8:00 PM Rating: Decent
great job

Edit: were you MTing Attumen or the horse?

Edited, Nov 6th 2007 8:09pm by CapJack
#18 Nov 07 2007 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
The Honorable CapJack wrote:
great job

Edit: were you MTing Attumen or the horse?

Edited, Nov 6th 2007 8:09pm by CapJack


Guild had me main tank attumen, the ot warrior started by tanking the horse then atuument came out later and i picked him up and held onto him. Then when they combined i got that too. I helped on the horse but i didnt really do anything till it was my turn to function.

Didn't even wipe on the first try, but wiped on the way to the boss because guildie was explaining to the new guys and me what was what and explaining the shackles and pulls on the horses/stable guys. The mobs reset when we were finished discussing the boss and we were at him.. so we ran out.

Im hoping tonight that Moroes pocket watch drops or the belt.. that would be a very good upgrade in both cases for me. From completing the Black morass event i got a nifty tank ring! So it replaced my delicate eternum ring.

I think ill go respec later today to use the points like you said. Im gonna go get the Continuum Plate Legs because I am revered now. and i want the head glyph/gems and nethercleft leg armor or whatever the stam and agil one is.
#19 Nov 09 2007 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
inforce wrote:
The Honorable CapJack wrote:
great job

Edit: were you MTing Attumen or the horse?

Edited, Nov 6th 2007 8:09pm by CapJack


Guild had me main tank attumen, the ot warrior started by tanking the horse then atuument came out later and i picked him up and held onto him. Then when they combined i got that too. I helped on the horse but i didnt really do anything till it was my turn to function.

Didn't even wipe on the first try, but wiped on the way to the boss because guildie was explaining to the new guys and me what was what and explaining the shackles and pulls on the horses/stable guys. The mobs reset when we were finished discussing the boss and we were at him.. so we ran out.

Im hoping tonight that Moroes pocket watch drops or the belt.. that would be a very good upgrade in both cases for me. From completing the Black morass event i got a nifty tank ring! So it replaced my delicate eternum ring.

I think ill go respec later today to use the points like you said. Im gonna go get the Continuum Plate Legs because I am revered now. and i want the head glyph/gems and nethercleft leg armor or whatever the stam and agil one is.


Update* Tonight did Big Bad Wolf in Opera, no problems, 3 people died but i was so far in threat on the wolf and the main healer was alive so it went well.

Tonight we also tried maiden again (this is group 2 of our kara groups, mostly noobs so don't make fun =p ), we wiped, and the OT warrior thought he could do better. I said go ahead and try. He did luckily get maiden down to 80% gone and then he got crushed. I took over and she was downed. However i was in dps gear at that moment so i died when she was like 1% and dps finished her.

Anyways she went down and were doing curator tommorow/tonight. The warrior kinda irritated me because he just joined the guild and I guess doesn't like being an OT so he tries to upstage me whenever he can. The only thing he has on me is health. His defense is well crittable and he is well crushable. I guess he got one more person in the raid to feel the way he does, and on vent before he took his turn on maiden someone other than him started in on "Let the warrior tank" blahblahblah

Jack have you or any of you other tankadins run into warriors with hard feelings? We have 2 groups going.. and i invited him into the guild (320 ish people and a large chunk are raiding). Just irritates me that people are so judgemental. Anyways tonight after the raid I got some new gems, and im getting more so tommorow/tonight at the raid I will have 13k health unbuffed hopefully. or close to it.. Im also gonna run heroics all day.. so when i get to the raid i want to say "Now what?" .. lol

All in all it was a good night, the other day the OT won the Tank belt, which i don't think he should have even rolled on. It was me and him, and if we are to continue on I really need to start getting geared.. but oh well he won it. Im hoping that if we get curator down that i will get the plate pants. In fact i may request that i get them if they drop.. not to be selfish or anything.. but for pure viability I will need them. I was also going to ask you guys if you had any good strategy for downing Curator. Tips are much appreciated as i will go on here and read up before the raid.
#20 Nov 09 2007 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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Update* Tonight did Big Bad Wolf in Opera, no problems, 3 people died but i was so far in threat on the wolf and the main healer was alive so it went well.

I love that event. :D
And, y'know, it's hard to blame the tank for everyone death in that event, some people just don't run fast enough. :P

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run into warriors with hard feelings?

I'm not a Prot Pally myself but I've had to deal with lots of Warrs who couldn't accept that another class could tank as well, if not better in some situations, than them. Prove your worth at every occasion you get and you'll be fine if your guild leader is smart. :)
#21 Nov 09 2007 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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run into warriors with hard feelings?


Yeah, it happens from time to time. Run combat logs. Use an addon known as xperl (unit frames)... it comes complete with an addon inside of it known as Grim Reaper which shows what damage or healing is received at time intervals and at what % your health is when you roll over your or anyone elses name in the raid.
Very useful for when you drop, someone asks why, and it's all because you didn't receive a heal for a good 10 seconds or more.

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good strategy for downing Curator.


Best bit of advice I can offer is that your DPS has to be ready for this fight.
2-3 healers, 1 on the tank should suffice, 1-2 on the rest of the raid.
Bring as few melee as possible... 1-2 if possible.

Tank him in the middle of the hallway somewhat past the 1st set of columns, maybe close to 2nd, i forgot... so it gives your ranged DPS and healers plenty of room to spread out and time to DPS the adds.

As the adds spawn, ALL DPS should be focused on them... no one on Curator at all.

Have a warlock toss up Curse of Doom on Curator at about 1 minute until Evocation.

When Evocation hits and the last add is up, have either everyone DPS the last add, then turn on Curator, or have 2-3 finish off the add, with the other DPS focusing on Curator.

Someone will take Hateful Bolts from Curator, just be sure they communicate that they took them from the healer and have them tossed heals here and there.

Rinse and repeat until 15% at which point you can burn him down as he will no longer spawn more adds at that point.
#22 Nov 09 2007 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
Thanks for the help. I feel ive been doing pretty good and making a good impression.. but those haters get to me sometimes. well im gonna go google some youtube vids of this boss so i can be good and ready. with pots/consumables and the cool "elixir of supreme power" that i found that increases spelldamage by 70 for 2 hours even through death (which i pair with oil) gives me close to 300 bonus spelldamage. Mentally i am ready for the boss.. however getting ready for actually going on and hearing that 1 person say "let the warrior do it".. im preparing for that.
#23 Nov 09 2007 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Use a Flask of Fortification rather than the spell damage for this boss.
Reason being is that you have so much time alone with him, no one should be within a mile of your threat.

Go for the extra HP rather than extra SD.
#24 Nov 10 2007 at 3:22 AM Rating: Decent
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weran wrote:
Use a Flask of Fortification rather than the spell damage for this boss.
Reason being is that you have so much time alone with him, no one should be within a mile of your threat.

Go for the extra HP rather than extra SD.


QFT

Also wanted to add, cause I don't think anyone did above me, that it helps to have a "Hateful Bolt sucker". Someone decked out in 100-200 Arcane Resist whose job it is to be second on Curator's threat list at all times to absorb the Hateful Bolts. That way you don't have healers taking all that damage, and since they are in Arcane Resist, they shouldn't be taking too much damage either. I've taken this role as both my Prot Paly and my Warlock, it's not hard to do, and having one person take 1k damage all the time rather than random people taking 4k helps a bunch.
#25 Nov 11 2007 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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we have never used arcane resist to take down curator it is not needed.
when we first met him we were afraid to face him for weeks
as we couldn't kill maiden
but the first time we tried Curator went down on the third try
and never wiped on him again
we had curator on farm well before maiden
before we learned the neat little maiden tricks
doesn't matter who the soaker is.
Curator like's people with a high life total.
you'll see this more when you have a shadow priest trying to soak


#26 Nov 12 2007 at 1:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Everyone's free to fight a boss whoever they please, but this is the way our guild has always done it, and it works much more efficiently for us. We've had many more problems downing Curator with nobody in AR gear then when even half had soem AR gear on. Yes it "can" be done, but that doesn't mean it's the easier or best way for everyone.

With the health thing, that's why we always have a Warlock suck bolts :P
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