I know nothing about PvP, but...Follow

It's called Mass Hysteria.

Sadly, even another poster pointed out this is horseshit. They had 2 weeks less time on TBC than US/EU, and actually had more time on vanilla WoW.

"due to the fact that" is such an awful phrase. Why? Because someone invented, "because."

Guilty as charged. Due to the fact that I'm at work.

I'm Hemo and I'm perfectly happy with it. I don't like to admit it up here, because of the running opinion on this forum is that "Sub is dead". I only play BG's and 2v2. I'm sure if I played 5v5 I would be unhappy as hell with it.

Still, Hemo is hecka fun to play. When I tested a combat mace spec versus Hemo on Mobs (yes, yes, I know mobs aren't players) I found the DPS in the CS/KS cycle to be greater with Hemo. Mind you, I was testing a stunlock cycle.

If your into Stunlocks (and I am) Hemo is fun as hell. I feel too naked trying to burn someone down with AR. I'd rather finese them down, which Hemo absolutely excels at. I don't mind giving up the added DPS to have so many tricks up my sleeve. I like getting the opener on other rogues, I like 2 vanishes at my disposal, I like 5 point kidney shots, I like having the energy to get a kick or gouge off exactly when I need to, I like the added damage to rupture (which is enhanced even more by my Druid partners Mangle ability). I like winning against other players by "reopening" as many times as I need to. Hemo may be weak for PVE (specifically the longer boss fights), but you can lay the damage down for pvp, and the added utility is amazing.

It's just too much fun for me to give up, and there are some pretty highly rated rogues using it.....too bad I'm not one of them. :)

Edit: I also like the fact that if I am knocked out of stealth (rarely happens) it's not "game over" since it is a sword build, and CP generation is still quick, while positioning is far less important.


Edited, Oct 9th 2007 9:25am by Slyyth

Ah ha, this I was unaware of. Kinda weird, since Korea seems to take its e-gaming seriously for the most part, you'd think they'd be all over a winning spec like combat.

Neilyo is one of the top rated rogues in the world. He was Hemo last week.


Did he get to 2400+ in 3 brackets as Hemo?


**** no.

I'm not trying to defend Hemo as "all that". I just don't think it's nearly as gimp for PVP as some people up here have been led to believe.

There's no argument that Muti/Combat will out DPS Hemo. I just think there is more to PVP than raw DPS.

I don't buy it. I've spec'd every possible build, and from my experience the only spec that has a substantial DPS improvement for PVP is Muti/Combat.

Since when did Vanish X2, Sprint X2, or AR X2 not increase survivability? Since when does having the energy to get a kick off at the right time (not 1 second after the cast) not improve survivability? During the course of the stun hemo doesn't hit "like a girl". The stun duration is far better than you get with Combat swords, making up for any increase in white damage. Sure, AR is great, but when it runs out, then what?

Maybe I'm just stuck in old school thought, but I find when I control the fight on MY terms I win. Muti/Combat is the only thing that comes even close in utility because even though you give up a lot of control, you make up for it with a substantial increase in DPS, a DPS increase that's not reliant on a 5 minute cooldown.

Again, not saying hemo is it.....just think it's better than most folks up here suggest.

I'm tired of people trying to claim stunlock builds are effective in arenas. I can sum up why they are not in one sentence.

Stunlocks are good for 1v1 ONLY!

You cannot control every opponent in an arena, so you cannot guarantee that you will be able to even do your stunlock. Removing yourself from the fight to remove somebody else is also pretty pointless. Arena teams function as a unit, not as 5 people doing their own thing.

You 2v2 with the most OP healer in the game. I could go 0/0/0 and still win games with a druid healing me.

Credit is given where credit is due, but in this case, no credit is due because the build sucks.

I did the AR/Prep route for a little bit for 2v2 and for some BG's just to mess around after seeing the video of the two gnomes raping face in 2v2. I wasnt able to do it with mace spec due to not having any good ones for it but I got the idea. I loved that it was versatile but hemo just didnt have the punch that ss does. Punch that I depend on when burning down a healer or whatever. If I was in a double dps 2v2 then it would be different because I could control while they did a majority of the dps. I actually do like 30 games a week in 2v2 atm, because I have 3 friends that want points. Low resilience on some and others are undergeared so I need to have the dps to drop opponents and the hemo build just isnt enough to do that.

Your partner is awful, then.



A month ago.

You're still bad.

edit because I missed this gem:

You really are awful.

Explain to me why 0/33/28 or 5/31/25 or any variation thereof is the 3rd most popular arena spec, if it's so bad?

You'd be speccing it if you were smart and could CC well at all; your partner is a DPS class and you could have some of the best CC in the effing game if you could learn how to play your class role appropriately.

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 6:35pm by Theophany