Hello everyone, casual gamer here, I bought the expansion 6 months ago and just entered outland, I dinged 58 today, I have respecced twice so far to felguard and back to affliction, did not really give him much playtime(was only curious, now that I have hit outlands my big blue doesn't hold aggro anymore.
I wish to now if I should lvl with felguard from here on to 70, I will miss the aff tree, but is it more efficient to grind with felguard, will he hold aggro, if anyone has tried both please help.
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http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Anetheron&n=Ockas
this is my toon by the way, thank you all.
this is my toon by the way, thank you all.
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nevermind everyone I just read a helpfull post further down thanks.
The Felg holds agro impressively. You "drain hunt" with him to maintain a fast killing pace.
People say Aff locks "drain tanking" kill faster, but ... I don't like drain tanking. I like having a big, mean pet.
You need to take care of your Felg to make him shine - the talents that lower his damage help - Health funnel is a must. Mana Feed (I'd go at least 2/3). Keep him going, and he'll pour out damage and hold agro.
Remember, he's not as tough as the VW. He's tough, but not that tough. GL
People say Aff locks "drain tanking" kill faster, but ... I don't like drain tanking. I like having a big, mean pet.
You need to take care of your Felg to make him shine - the talents that lower his damage help - Health funnel is a must. Mana Feed (I'd go at least 2/3). Keep him going, and he'll pour out damage and hold agro.
Remember, he's not as tough as the VW. He's tough, but not that tough. GL
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thank you, what dot rotation would you recommend coa cor immol then life tap and drain, does this sound about right,
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http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html
this is the build I was thinking of I'm 58.
this is the build I was thinking of I'm 58.
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http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0500220000000000000002052030131250102501251000000000000000000000
sorry this is it.
sorry this is it.
Hi kalimista,
In your build don't forget Demonic Resilience to increase your FelG toughness and survivability. Imho this is a must. I would max out Demonic Knowledge too; this is one of the best talents of the demon tree. These two talents are more important than Improve HS which is a filler. And depending on your playstyle Demonic Tactics may not be so important at this level, except if you SB a lot which is probably not the case.
About the spell rotation, you will notice that Immo and Drain Life will not be used together in most cases if you have a decent amount of +spell dmg. That wouldn't be mana efficient because mobs will die way before the end of the dots. When I need to replenish, I simply throw CoA and Drain Life twice or more. If not I use CoA and Corr on the mob my FelG is attacking and fear kite one or two others, depending on the proximity of the mobs.
Hope this helps.
In your build don't forget Demonic Resilience to increase your FelG toughness and survivability. Imho this is a must. I would max out Demonic Knowledge too; this is one of the best talents of the demon tree. These two talents are more important than Improve HS which is a filler. And depending on your playstyle Demonic Tactics may not be so important at this level, except if you SB a lot which is probably not the case.
About the spell rotation, you will notice that Immo and Drain Life will not be used together in most cases if you have a decent amount of +spell dmg. That wouldn't be mana efficient because mobs will die way before the end of the dots. When I need to replenish, I simply throw CoA and Drain Life twice or more. If not I use CoA and Corr on the mob my FelG is attacking and fear kite one or two others, depending on the proximity of the mobs.
Hope this helps.
Your grinding/pve rotation is something like this:
sic Felg, CoA, Cor, Immo, tap or (tap x 2) to get mana, drain to up health - wand if needed.
Health Funnel Felg as needed. You can't go quite as long as a drain tanker between needing to have a little downtime and drinking, but it's easier to take on "bad situations" - like adds - harder or higher lvl mobs - elite mobs - and to take on 2 or 3 (or more) at once.
If Felg dies, you can pop out a new one in half a second. Just remember, he's not going to get agro off you on a mob you dotted up while previous Felg was alive. That mob is mad at YOU. So be sure the Felg is on other mobs (if there are adds in the fight) - so he takes them off you - and you deal with the one that hates you (or use Felg for dps).
The other poster is right - you want the talent that makes your Felg tougher, especially for pve (it isn't as needed for pvp, save that it helps you).
The talent that gives you +5% to crit is not needed for a drain tanker. I know that sounds like - what, it's awesome - give that up??? But I would consider not taking it if you are primarily leveling/grinding. You won't be casting shadowbolt or incinerate very often - it doesn't help much w/ dots (only helps immo - and it's a duel-edge "help" cuz it can pull agro on you).
I'd go into demon enough to get the Felg, at least 2/4 in Mana feed, the one that ups your spell damage to a % of demon's int and sta, and make your demon tough.
Then put the rest into Affliction. I think you can go as high as amp curse and nightfall by 70. But imp cor and uninterrupted draining are quite good. If you pvp consider destruction for shadowburn - but for pve, go affliction.
sic Felg, CoA, Cor, Immo, tap or (tap x 2) to get mana, drain to up health - wand if needed.
Health Funnel Felg as needed. You can't go quite as long as a drain tanker between needing to have a little downtime and drinking, but it's easier to take on "bad situations" - like adds - harder or higher lvl mobs - elite mobs - and to take on 2 or 3 (or more) at once.
If Felg dies, you can pop out a new one in half a second. Just remember, he's not going to get agro off you on a mob you dotted up while previous Felg was alive. That mob is mad at YOU. So be sure the Felg is on other mobs (if there are adds in the fight) - so he takes them off you - and you deal with the one that hates you (or use Felg for dps).
The other poster is right - you want the talent that makes your Felg tougher, especially for pve (it isn't as needed for pvp, save that it helps you).
The talent that gives you +5% to crit is not needed for a drain tanker. I know that sounds like - what, it's awesome - give that up??? But I would consider not taking it if you are primarily leveling/grinding. You won't be casting shadowbolt or incinerate very often - it doesn't help much w/ dots (only helps immo - and it's a duel-edge "help" cuz it can pull agro on you).
I'd go into demon enough to get the Felg, at least 2/4 in Mana feed, the one that ups your spell damage to a % of demon's int and sta, and make your demon tough.
Then put the rest into Affliction. I think you can go as high as amp curse and nightfall by 70. But imp cor and uninterrupted draining are quite good. If you pvp consider destruction for shadowburn - but for pve, go affliction.
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i don't know what you're doing wrong, but my voidy is certainly getting the job done in outlands. 3 points on him really helps btw.
anyway, my grinding rotation is:
sic vw, coa-corr-us-ss, tap & drain til it's dead. by the second drain the mob usually comes at me, but dies within seconds and i end the fight with full mana and health.
if that method isn't killing quick something is wrong.
oh, and part of the reason you're generating so much threat is you don't have imp drain soul points. that would reduce your threat by 10%.
anyway, my grinding rotation is:
sic vw, coa-corr-us-ss, tap & drain til it's dead. by the second drain the mob usually comes at me, but dies within seconds and i end the fight with full mana and health.
if that method isn't killing quick something is wrong.
oh, and part of the reason you're generating so much threat is you don't have imp drain soul points. that would reduce your threat by 10%.
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thank you all I am only 58 I have 2 points in improved voidwalker, the mobs I'm downing are 61+, I always pull aggro from my mobs, I just miss the afflictions efficiency when the mobs where lower then me, in outlands for now I'm lower then all the mobs, my worries where due to the fast respawns, never really felt safe to handle 3+61 mobs, will be trying out Felguard again, the first time I tried him he was taking a beating(had no points in demonic resilience) this should make a difference,
thank you all.
thank you all.
So continue to this conversation, if I’m using DoT's build what will be the best pet to use? Imp, Voidwalker, Succubus, Fellhunte or change my build and use Felguard?
For an affliction build, I use the imp for Dark Pact. His mana pool isn't as high as the others but his spirit more than makes up for it. My routine is UA, Immo, CoA, Corr, Siphon Life, Pact the imp empty then Drain Life. Most mobs are down in 12-15 seconds.
So if we have one mob maybe, what if we have 4 mobs attacking you?
4 mobs on you at the same time? It depends on the build.
Afflic, use iHoT and then you can kite them all using your insta-dots.
Demon, your FelG should tank 3 and yourself one. Fear one to make life easier for your FelG. If the 2 other mobs your FelG are tanking have dots on them (CoA and Corr) he should have no problem taking them down. You still have one mob on you. It should be easy now, use Death Coil or Fear again if needed.
Destro, I have no clue.
Afflic, use iHoT and then you can kite them all using your insta-dots.
Demon, your FelG should tank 3 and yourself one. Fear one to make life easier for your FelG. If the 2 other mobs your FelG are tanking have dots on them (CoA and Corr) he should have no problem taking them down. You still have one mob on you. It should be easy now, use Death Coil or Fear again if needed.
Destro, I have no clue.
OK - so maybe I'm still too new to being a warlock. (probably)
But at times, when I'm questing, I get 3 mobs - each 3 levels above me.
And then a fourth joins the fun.
OK - 1 was a snap - 2 were easy - 3 were tough - and four is HARD.
I've found that using the Felguard to tank is correct, but to help him out, I use CoW on the 2 mobs that are not the main target of his attacks. Still Dot with Corr & Immolate, but CoW lets the Felguard take less damage while we burn down the first mob, then turn up the heat on the 2nd. ( I know about Fear, but in Terr-Forest, feared mobs ususally bring back friends...)
I find that with 3-4 on the Felguard, (if I just use regular tactics) he goes down too soon, and although the mobs are all 2/3rd dead - they still have more than enough to kill me.
Am I the only one who uses CoW in these situations?
Edited, Oct 11th 2007 11:37am by davedoyle
But at times, when I'm questing, I get 3 mobs - each 3 levels above me.
And then a fourth joins the fun.
OK - 1 was a snap - 2 were easy - 3 were tough - and four is HARD.
I've found that using the Felguard to tank is correct, but to help him out, I use CoW on the 2 mobs that are not the main target of his attacks. Still Dot with Corr & Immolate, but CoW lets the Felguard take less damage while we burn down the first mob, then turn up the heat on the 2nd. ( I know about Fear, but in Terr-Forest, feared mobs ususally bring back friends...)
I find that with 3-4 on the Felguard, (if I just use regular tactics) he goes down too soon, and although the mobs are all 2/3rd dead - they still have more than enough to kill me.
Am I the only one who uses CoW in these situations?
Edited, Oct 11th 2007 11:37am by davedoyle
4 mobs 3 levels above you?
run like hell.
run like hell.
it´s abit off topic, but there is a really really hot post on the official german warlock forum where felguard-specc does mad-dmg as soon as you hit 2 t5 pieces. have a look at it for all of you whom it may aplly to.
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