Now that AV is actually fair, there's nothing left for Alliance to win. I just went 0-18 this weekend in AV, and I seriously doubt the 2.3 changes to AV will matter much. There's simply too many 12 year olds playing alliance. I refuse to grind honor at 1/3 the pace that horde players now do. Even though I have all of the grand Marshal set and everything but the Veterans Belt, I was planning on grinding for some S1 gear while I wait to build up Arena points for my S2/S3 Gladiator gear.
Soooo....I guess it's time to roll Horde. I was thinking Undead (rogue of course), but some players in my office were talking about WotF being nerfed to a 10 minute cooldown sometime in the near future.
I think they're making this $hit up. Has anyone else heard this?
Edited, Oct 8th 2007 5:13pm by Slyyth
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I haven't heard anything about a WotF nerf. Besides, they've gone how many years without changing it? I doubt they'd nerf it now, especially since they've been nerfing rogues in nearly every patch since WoW 1.0.
Of course, you could always roll Orc. Stun resist is awesome.
Of course, you could always roll Orc. Stun resist is awesome.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
i've been done with alliance for a long time now. on all servers that i've played on there are just way too many incompetent players that love to 1) enter BG's at any lvl they feel like it, not even thinking that they might get slaughtered at lvl _1 - _5 and 2) run around with no direction whatsoever and not listen to the ones that try to help their team win.
in my experience with horde, there are still the occasional idiots but for the most part from my experience, there are far less than on ally side.
in my experience with horde, there are still the occasional idiots but for the most part from my experience, there are far less than on ally side.
The patch has made a difference, but on a very small scale. Horde is now winning a few games, but in my battlegroup, we're only winning some 30% of the time. AFK'ers hide up in the mountains, and tbh noone has the time or effort to report them and ****.
The issue is, the 12 year olds have been told their entire lives that they can save the world and they are filled with idealism. Thus they got to WOW and cannot bring themselves to play the "bad" horde.
The older players think the racials are more badass on the horde side.
In short, damn the hippies.
The older players think the racials are more badass on the horde side.
In short, damn the hippies.
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I haven't heard anything about a WotF nerf. Besides, they've gone how many years without changing it? I doubt they'd nerf it now, especially since they've been nerfing rogues in nearly every patch since WoW 1.0.
Of course, you could always roll Orc. Stun resist is awesome.
Of course, you could always roll Orc. Stun resist is awesome.
barely a year since a wotf nerf
current/new at the time: 2min cd, 5 second immune
old: 5min cd, 30 ****** second immune
O HOT DAMN WAS IT SWEET lol
I played alliance back then, and I hadn't done much PvP, so I didn't pay much attention to the patch notes regarding that stuff.
/shrug
/shrug
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
Alliance sucks at BG, I lose 99% WSG, 80% AB, 60% EotS, 40% AV. The most hated BG, WSG for sure.
Blizzard claims the BGs are pretty even, but I don't believe it. On WSG and AV, I lose maybe one in five. They did admit that before the AFK change for AV the Alliance won something like 80% (about time they admitted there was a gross imbalance in there).
Um... if they nerfed the undead racial, then there would be no undead.
I'd either reroll BE for energy regen or Orc for stun resist.
I'd either reroll BE for energy regen or Orc for stun resist.
I've the feeling that on my server the Alliance wins slightly more BG's than Horde. Which isn't weird because often, there more Allies than Hordes in a BG (playing 10 vs 8 in WSG just sucks). And my bad PvP-skills won't help us either tbh...
Nerving UD? They'd better nerf all those damn locks etc. fearing my Orc all day long.
Nerving UD? They'd better nerf all those damn locks etc. fearing my Orc all day long.
emm even if the bg's are unbalanced. the av field favors the allied and always had. it's the player skills which are imbalanced imo. if you loose the first hord gy we res in our starting location. you loose the first allied gy you res at the next gy down the line rather at your starting location. ditto on loosing the second hord gy. you loose the second gy while you're dead. you get sent to the starting location.
then you have that easily defensible bridge and a multitude of easily aggroable npc's right after while we have a short ramp. and allot of npc/s that you just walk around.
if you have a small team of 8 on defense. you can hold us off nearly indefinately while your assault team plinks away at everything else. or just leapfrogs around any area we try to defend.
as you said. the player skill is the main difference in your winning and loosing av now and hord has mainly had the better players.
then you have that easily defensible bridge and a multitude of easily aggroable npc's right after while we have a short ramp. and allot of npc/s that you just walk around.
if you have a small team of 8 on defense. you can hold us off nearly indefinately while your assault team plinks away at everything else. or just leapfrogs around any area we try to defend.
as you said. the player skill is the main difference in your winning and loosing av now and hord has mainly had the better players.
Before the last patch AV was a 90% win in my battlegroup (Whirlwind).
After the patch it flip flopped. We now lose 90% of the time.
It's hard to believe that the AFK system alone accounts for the change, but I guess it makes sense. Blizzard claimed all along that the map was pretty balanced. I guess Alliance simply had far fewer AFK'rs.
It's a blood bath in there now. Horde roll us to the point that we hardly get any resources before the game is over. Many resources are ninja'd back because the alliance n00bs are too stupid to guard what they cap.
I'm just so sick of it. My honor per hour has gone from 1000-1500 to 600-800.
So a few questions. In my mind I'm thinking I'm better off with one of the newer servers, with a relatively balanced Horde/Alliance ratio. Also thinking that something with a lower pop. I have a low level Orc rogue on Vashj that I might level up. What is everyone's thoughts on low pop versus high pop, and Horde versus alliance population ratios?
After the patch it flip flopped. We now lose 90% of the time.
It's hard to believe that the AFK system alone accounts for the change, but I guess it makes sense. Blizzard claimed all along that the map was pretty balanced. I guess Alliance simply had far fewer AFK'rs.
It's a blood bath in there now. Horde roll us to the point that we hardly get any resources before the game is over. Many resources are ninja'd back because the alliance n00bs are too stupid to guard what they cap.
I'm just so sick of it. My honor per hour has gone from 1000-1500 to 600-800.
So a few questions. In my mind I'm thinking I'm better off with one of the newer servers, with a relatively balanced Horde/Alliance ratio. Also thinking that something with a lower pop. I have a low level Orc rogue on Vashj that I might level up. What is everyone's thoughts on low pop versus high pop, and Horde versus alliance population ratios?
Higher population servers make your life easier. More pve advancement. More stuff on the auction house. Easier to find groups. More guilds to choose from.
As far as rolling horde, you've made the right choice. Welcome to the dark side.
As far as rolling horde, you've made the right choice. Welcome to the dark side.
I'll just stay over here on alliance killin ya all. On the Cyclone battlegroup, at least at lower levels, Alliance seems to do pretty damn good, guess I'm just lucky to be in this group.
The thing with AV, (which I do as Horde, my ally character isn't high enough yet) is that even though it seems horde wins most of them, the difference in honor gained between a win and a loss doesn't seem to be that great, so it's not a huge deal.
The thing with AV, (which I do as Horde, my ally character isn't high enough yet) is that even though it seems horde wins most of them, the difference in honor gained between a win and a loss doesn't seem to be that great, so it's not a huge deal.
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Higher population servers make your life easier. More pve advancement. More stuff on the auction house. Easier to find groups. More guilds to choose from.
As far as rolling horde, you've made the right choice. Welcome to the dark side.
As far as rolling horde, you've made the right choice. Welcome to the dark side.
Whats amazing, is that this is not wittty or funny. Just fact. roll horde, on some server where its 3-2 ratio or better. Because for every 1 stupid hordie you meet, it could have been 3/4 had you been alliance. And one thing that i've never failed to notice, no matter what server my hordie alts are on... is that horde are ALWAYS willing to come help you out if your getting ganked. There is ******* ALWAYS someone there to help, or someone's main. Nothing like that on alliance. /<3 Horde
Seriously, low pop is murder. I can't move goods on the AH at all on Alterac Mountains. If your current one doesn't have waiting queues, stick with it. Or if you're determined to move, move to at least a medium pop.
digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
I'll just stay over here on alliance killin ya all. On the Cyclone battlegroup, at least at lower levels, Alliance seems to do pretty damn good, guess I'm just lucky to be in this group.
The thing with AV, (which I do as Horde, my ally character isn't high enough yet) is that even though it seems horde wins most of them, the difference in honor gained between a win and a loss doesn't seem to be that great, so it's not a huge deal.
The thing with AV, (which I do as Horde, my ally character isn't high enough yet) is that even though it seems horde wins most of them, the difference in honor gained between a win and a loss doesn't seem to be that great, so it's not a huge deal.
~300 vs ~500 may not seem like much but when that's all the BGs you do, it really adds up.
Grass is always greener on the other side...
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Grass is always greener on the other side...
I beg to differ.
I have a few low level (sub level 30) horde toons on a few different battlegroups. The result is always the same. Horde players are simply more mature, they coordinate their actions and move together extremely well in most cases.
Sure there are plenty of 12 year old horde players too, but not nearly as many as you find on the Alliance side. In a typical Alliance BG, I find 3 or 4 players who understand the objective of the game, while the balance just run amuck attempting to farm HK's. They're so stupid, they don't even know to stay together. Horde side, there are typically 3 or 4 idiot players, but the balance typically know what they are doing.
Well when blizzard lowers the experience needed to level I'm definitely continuing my undead warlock anyway.
I think it'll be fun to be overpowered.
I think it'll be fun to be overpowered.
How many of you actually play on a PvP server.. it makes a huge difference. When theres enough ally everywhere that you can't do hardly anything without being out numbered. In world pvp I will take 2-1 odds anyday but being at the elemental plateau and its 8 ally against 2 horde, it doesnt matter that more of them suck since the sheer numbers make it close to impossible. Im okay with them being cheap and targeting all the half decent world locations because I make up for it in battlegrounds where it has to be close to the same numbers. (unless its the occasional 3am WSG that is 3v10)
Hatebrood wrote:
How many of you actually play on a PvP server.. it makes a huge difference. When theres enough ally everywhere that you can't do hardly anything without being out numbered. In world pvp I will take 2-1 odds anyday but being at the elemental plateau and its 8 ally against 2 horde, it doesnt matter that more of them suck since the sheer numbers make it close to impossible.
on my server its always the other way around. I cant farm for **** at elem plat.
I never go there to actually farm. I'm usually called in from shat because a guild member is stuck in 1 v wtf and has a 5 minute rezz timer.
Hatebrood wrote:
I never go there to actually farm. I'm usually called in from shat because a guild member is stuck in 1 v wtf and has a 5 minute rezz timer.
I lol'd
Elemental plateau is a crappy place to grind tbh~
Im in whirlwind, and I have noticed that AV games are won more often than before. We had a *serious* AFK problem, with sometimes half the raid being in the horde caves. So very frustrating.
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