As the subject suggests, may I ask the Destruction Warlocks who use the said build to impart their Spell Rotation so that I will have a better idea to efficiently cast my spells whether it is in a 5-man dungeon instance or inside Karazhan/25-man dungeon raids.
Thank you for your time.
Edited, Oct 8th 2007 7:21pm by PygmalionUnbound
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CoD, then shadow bolt, repeat...a lot. And make sure to use trinkets/racials when they're up. Sometimes you'll have enough mages/locks and what not and you might be stuck on CoE or CoS duty, if so then cast that up and s. bolt away.
unless you've got more than 30% crit rate and 1600 +damage in raids, you just use Sb and CoD. if you have less you use CoD, SB and corruption. if you have less than 25% crit rate and 1000 +damage in raids then cast corruption and immolate. so yeah. basically the rotation for me is. most dest locks i know should use immolate too
CoD
corruption
SB loads
corruption
sb loads
corruption
sb loads
corruption
sb a bit
CoD
sb some more
corruption
simple :)
Edited, Oct 8th 2007 8:28pm by Jenovaomega
CoD
corruption
SB loads
corruption
sb loads
corruption
sb loads
corruption
sb a bit
CoD
sb some more
corruption
simple :)
Edited, Oct 8th 2007 8:28pm by Jenovaomega
I find most raids, we locks can never use CoD since we're forced to throw up elements, shadow and recklessness.
yeah, but if you raid with more locks / doing a boss fight that doesn't allow CoRec then you can ^^
lucky me i raid with ususally 4 other locks, and they are the CoE/CoS casters^^
CoD
Corr
SB spam
just works so damn nice.
CoD
Corr
SB spam
just works so damn nice.
I generally skip corruption, my raids are close to the debuff limit as it is, and I'd like to leave that slot up for something that does more dps.
For me.. it's CoS/CoE/CoR/CoD, then spam shadowbolts until it dies. Life tap when I feel like it, trinkets when they're up. <3 7200+ ISB crits.
For me.. it's CoS/CoE/CoR/CoD, then spam shadowbolts until it dies. Life tap when I feel like it, trinkets when they're up. <3 7200+ ISB crits.
Jenovaomega wrote:
unless you've got more than 30% crit rate and 1600 +damage in raids, you just use Sb and CoD. if you have less you use CoD, SB and corruption. if you have less than 25% crit rate and 1000 +damage in raids then cast corruption and immolate. so yeah. basically the rotation for me is. most dest locks i know should use immolate too
I almost threw up when I read this.
Allow me to quote what you wrote/bombed in my thread not too long ago....
Jen wrote:
good explainations. except you royally screwed over the spell rotation for all the specs. you forgot about IMMOLATE. regardless of spec. regardless of gear, regardless of which pet you have sacrifised it is ALWAYS 100% CERTAIN a 100% certainty to increase your total DPS.
i hope I've made that clear enough. regardless of spec. EVERY dot you have should be kept up. the 1 and only dot that we have that can be argued to not be worth while casting is siphon life and then only in certain situations
2ndly. it's not a 'hot debate'. both corruption and immolate are worthwhile casting regardless of spec or gear for a destruction and ALLL specs of warlocks.
there is always a dot rotation as a warlock, they are our most efficient form of dps and the best DPS per cast/total damage per cast time (GC usually)
finally, please PM me or loki instead of priest, sorry but your warlock knowledge doesn't seem to be anywhere near what i thought, especially seeing as you're still 'unsure' whether casting all our dots is worth it... o.0
i hope I've made that clear enough. regardless of spec. EVERY dot you have should be kept up. the 1 and only dot that we have that can be argued to not be worth while casting is siphon life and then only in certain situations
2ndly. it's not a 'hot debate'. both corruption and immolate are worthwhile casting regardless of spec or gear for a destruction and ALLL specs of warlocks.
there is always a dot rotation as a warlock, they are our most efficient form of dps and the best DPS per cast/total damage per cast time (GC usually)
finally, please PM me or loki instead of priest, sorry but your warlock knowledge doesn't seem to be anywhere near what i thought, especially seeing as you're still 'unsure' whether casting all our dots is worth it... o.0
hhhmmmmmm......
so now you took what I said, my rotation, and passed it as your own.
Nice Job.
well, if you remember from that debate of ours it turned out that pure nuking was very close to including dots. I done a bit more self research along with checking with incredably well geared players on the O forums and I found a point where dots do become useless, that point being 1600+ +damage and 30+% crit.
i never took 'your rotation'. for starters as i proved, for 'your' gear 'your' rotation could benefit from using dots and as I said, i use corruption in my cycle and on certain fights i use immolate too.
also if you remember, i did admit that 'your' spell rotation was better than i initially though in a 'perfect' scenario.. one that would never exist.
throw up over it all you want, it was never 'your rotation', all you done was allow me to improve your rotation (a dotles one, which needs dots with your gear) for my own spell rotation as well as find out the 'borderline' points where one can change from using all dots to some dots to no dots in a straight dps fight.
i never took 'your rotation'. for starters as i proved, for 'your' gear 'your' rotation could benefit from using dots and as I said, i use corruption in my cycle and on certain fights i use immolate too.
also if you remember, i did admit that 'your' spell rotation was better than i initially though in a 'perfect' scenario.. one that would never exist.
throw up over it all you want, it was never 'your rotation', all you done was allow me to improve your rotation (a dotles one, which needs dots with your gear) for my own spell rotation as well as find out the 'borderline' points where one can change from using all dots to some dots to no dots in a straight dps fight.
Jenovaomega wrote:
i never took 'your rotation'. for starters as i proved, for 'your' gear 'your' rotation could benefit from using dots and as I said, i use corruption in my cycle and on certain fights i use immolate too.
Quoting your last post in my thread:
Jen wrote:
ya I've taken that corruption damage out of my hard copy also I think you might of pasted the wrong thing somewhere as I got:
NUKE
Total Damage 136068.02
Total DPS 2267.800333
dot
Total Damage 135215.91
Total DPS 2253.5985
NUKE
Total Damage 136068.02
Total DPS 2267.800333
dot
Total Damage 135215.91
Total DPS 2253.5985
With my damage, and 14% less crit, Nuke outweighed dots, by your calculations.
We are splitting hairs again. /Apologies.
Some fights require added mobility, use Corr/Immo. Otherwise, find which category you fall into that Jen listed, and use what she(he? sorry, I think of Jen as a she, plz correct if I'm wrong) said.
<<< he and no worries, everyone thinks i'm a girl from the name and what you on about with "14% less crit"... you had more crit, a fair bit more especially after using the random factor to simulate 'real' crit chance.
corrrect me if I'm wrong, but you ran the calculations assuming a base 25% crit, right?
Well, mine is higher, as I said.
No need going off again, you already Karma bombed every post I made since then, no point in starting it all over again (as you are already doing).
I just found it funny, that for someone who was so defensive, and argued so violently that ALL dots should be used ALL the time, you certainly have changed since I made the guide saying not too....
Well, mine is higher, as I said.
No need going off again, you already Karma bombed every post I made since then, no point in starting it all over again (as you are already doing).
I just found it funny, that for someone who was so defensive, and argued so violently that ALL dots should be used ALL the time, you certainly have changed since I made the guide saying not too....
well if you hadn't noticed. my opinion on the matter had changed during our massive long arguement after having ran the figures on it. now seeing how much of a perfectionist I am for being the best. changing my spell rotation to fit my current stats properly would be the best of choices.
Jenovaomega wrote:
well if you hadn't noticed. my opinion on the matter had changed during our massive long arguement after having ran the figures on it. now seeing how much of a perfectionist I am for being the best. changing my spell rotation to fit my current stats properly would be the best of choices.
Well then, we made progress! No need to be argueing, as we both learned something.
and yeah ladies and gents, here is an update!
just got for pure sb spam and have the adepts elixir and the elixier of
empowerment on + spellstone. of course CoD every min.
raidbuffed i get to around 28%crit on my shadowbolts.
wit elixir of empowerment up and a WL from raidgrp having cast CoS i had not a single point of partial resist on voidreaver
Edited, Oct 14th 2007 3:44pm by Oakenwrath
just got for pure sb spam and have the adepts elixir and the elixier of
empowerment on + spellstone. of course CoD every min.
raidbuffed i get to around 28%crit on my shadowbolts.
wit elixir of empowerment up and a WL from raidgrp having cast CoS i had not a single point of partial resist on voidreaver
Edited, Oct 14th 2007 3:44pm by Oakenwrath
you usually don't get partial resists. but there is always a base 6% chance for a partial resist :P
Jenovaomega wrote:
you usually don't get partial resists. but there is always a base 6% chance for a partial resist :P
What is the amount of spell penetration needed to negate that?
Assuming CoS is up (unimproved).
i do/did geht a shedload of partials, but now i am free of those.
you can't negate that priest. I used to think you could but after doing some extra research i found that all bosses (except for special ones with high resists) have a base 6% chance for partial resists that cannot be negated.
The only BC raid bosses that have negatable resists are Supremus (fire) and pre-2.2 Sharhaz (don't even think it was resist either, just -75% damage or something). There's some trash with a fair amount of resist though, I want to say some of the Sharhaz trash, the ghosts in Kara, and some of the Hyjal waves, but I can't remember for sure.
You'd get higher returns from Flask of Pure Death over two elixirs, plus you don't have to repop them after every death :P
You'd get higher returns from Flask of Pure Death over two elixirs, plus you don't have to repop them after every death :P
honestly i have no clue abou the theroretical part, but i do raid ssc ansd the eye
and i have alot better "felt" dmg with 2 elixirs, than with once flask, it´s just like that.
oh an magteridon frequently partial resisted 1k dmg of my bolts and 3k+ of my CoD, now he doesn´t anymore.
Edited, Oct 15th 2007 3:08pm by Oakenwrath
and i have alot better "felt" dmg with 2 elixirs, than with once flask, it´s just like that.
oh an magteridon frequently partial resisted 1k dmg of my bolts and 3k+ of my CoD, now he doesn´t anymore.
Edited, Oct 15th 2007 3:08pm by Oakenwrath
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