Leveling a new priest and will be playing most times with a Rogue. Looking to figure out which build tree to use.
Some Questions:
1) Even at 14 my heal spells are interrupted...do I use points in holy first to minimize interruption?
2) Are shadow specced priests which I figure are good to solo, shunned in parties as you level?
3) I thought a Priest was to heal why would anyone be Shadow post say 50? And are they again shunned in parties?
4) If choose Shadow are heals/holy ganked....thinking when I chose Frost for Mage Fire spells still caused decent damage vs. told would be ganked.
Confused any thoughts or feedback appreciated........
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Rachielle wrote:
1) Even at 14 my heal spells are interrupted...do I use points in holy first to minimize interruption?
put 2 points in holy. otherwise, make the rogue tank
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2) Are shadow specced priests which I figure are good to solo, shunned in parties as you level?
no. they heal. noone shuns healers. wear int/spi gear
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3) I thought a Priest was to heal why would anyone be Shadow post say 50? And are they again shunned in parties?
priest can heal, but that doesn't mean they have to. high-level shadowpriests are a welcome addition to groups with people who have mana bars (see Vamp Touch).
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4) If choose Shadow are heals/holy ganked....thinking when I chose Frost for Mage Fire spells still caused decent damage vs. told would be ganked.
by ganked i assume you mean gimped. gank is a term used to refer to a high level character killing a very very low level character.
your heals will be good enough through normal level 70 instances (i've healed shadow labs at least 3 times without a single point in holy). heroics is where i draw the line.
I love my shadow priest. When I first started playing one I was expecting it to be the slowest of all the casters. Was I in for a surprise. I was shocked by the things I could pull off soloing. Much more than my mage and less down time.
I've never had a problem main-healing in a group for an instance. Some of the people I group with were amazed at my dps. I was usually the top or a very close second. In rough situations I can switch to help heals when needed. It's saved our tank, and party several times.
I get group invites all the time. I let them know I'm shadow but willing to main-heal (I keep 2 sets of gear to switch out) if we can't find another healer.
Shadow Priests can heal just fine in regular instances.
I've never had a problem main-healing in a group for an instance. Some of the people I group with were amazed at my dps. I was usually the top or a very close second. In rough situations I can switch to help heals when needed. It's saved our tank, and party several times.
I get group invites all the time. I let them know I'm shadow but willing to main-heal (I keep 2 sets of gear to switch out) if we can't find another healer.
Shadow Priests can heal just fine in regular instances.
Basically I'm repeating hte same thing, but oh well.
If you think you need to. Those were the only two point in holy I've ever had, and I respecced out of them within a week, but I was at level cap at the time so didn't have many problems soloing. Ideally, your rogue will be taking all the hits, but Holy Focus is good in instances where tanking skills are, sadly, often lacking.
Nope. You're always welcome as a healer, which (with decent gear) is fine until the level 70 instances. Even as shadow, one can probably heal heroics and a few/most Kara bosses if you've got very (very) good gear. Once you get higher levels - specifically, level 50+ for Vampiric Touch - you become much more viable/desirable as DPS as well.
Nope, an all-too-common misconception. Most people go this route once they get higher level, but not all of us.
To deal damage, and to solo well. Shadow can heal fine until at least level 70, as I said, and is by far the superior solo'ing spec.
Nope, still welcome as a healer until level 70, and at that point definitely as DPS. A decently-geared shadow priest who knows what they're doing can put out some incredible damage, plus absolutely massive amounts of mana. They're everything but required for 25-man raids. For instance, the typical mana pool at level 70 is between 8000 and 10000, and on a typical raid boss, I return about 12000 mana to myself and 4 other people, while still maintaining damage enough to compete with warlocks and mages. Shadow priests also have the ability to boost shadow damage (warlocks) by a fair amount, and ALL spell damage by a lesser (but still significant) amount.
Yea, you mean gimped :P
Nope, your heals won't be that gimped (of course they will be a little, but not enough to make a difference until really high levels). And actually, if you specced Frost, Fire spells were gimped a fair amount, whether or not you realized it (the biggest difference being Shatter), but these differences tend to show up most at higher levels with better gear and more talent investment.
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1) Even at 14 my heal spells are interrupted...do I use points in holy first to minimize interruption?
If you think you need to. Those were the only two point in holy I've ever had, and I respecced out of them within a week, but I was at level cap at the time so didn't have many problems soloing. Ideally, your rogue will be taking all the hits, but Holy Focus is good in instances where tanking skills are, sadly, often lacking.
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2) Are shadow specced priests which I figure are good to solo, shunned in parties as you level?
Nope. You're always welcome as a healer, which (with decent gear) is fine until the level 70 instances. Even as shadow, one can probably heal heroics and a few/most Kara bosses if you've got very (very) good gear. Once you get higher levels - specifically, level 50+ for Vampiric Touch - you become much more viable/desirable as DPS as well.
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3) I thought a Priest was to heal
Nope, an all-too-common misconception. Most people go this route once they get higher level, but not all of us.
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why would anyone be Shadow post say 50?
To deal damage, and to solo well. Shadow can heal fine until at least level 70, as I said, and is by far the superior solo'ing spec.
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And are they again shunned in parties?
Nope, still welcome as a healer until level 70, and at that point definitely as DPS. A decently-geared shadow priest who knows what they're doing can put out some incredible damage, plus absolutely massive amounts of mana. They're everything but required for 25-man raids. For instance, the typical mana pool at level 70 is between 8000 and 10000, and on a typical raid boss, I return about 12000 mana to myself and 4 other people, while still maintaining damage enough to compete with warlocks and mages. Shadow priests also have the ability to boost shadow damage (warlocks) by a fair amount, and ALL spell damage by a lesser (but still significant) amount.
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4) If choose Shadow are heals/holy ganked....thinking when I chose Frost for Mage Fire spells still caused decent damage vs. told would be ganked.
Yea, you mean gimped :P
Nope, your heals won't be that gimped (of course they will be a little, but not enough to make a difference until really high levels). And actually, if you specced Frost, Fire spells were gimped a fair amount, whether or not you realized it (the biggest difference being Shatter), but these differences tend to show up most at higher levels with better gear and more talent investment.
most shadow priests who instance/party allot put 2 points into holy for the 70% resist interruption of heals. it helps allot more than you realize when you choose to group up and do instances. at lower levels it doesn't gimp you as much as most people believe. you've a huge dps dealer with the rogue so don't worry too much about your dps output. focus on keeping the two of you alive so you minimize the downtime running to your corpses. additionally at lower levels with no set tank suggest that he choose main hand swords or maces as he'll have a @#$@ of a time positioning with dual daggers.
Additionally if you find a tank to party with, 4 or even 5 man quests are slightly easier. I've done 5 man quests with 3-4 people at the level with a tank, a dpser and a shadowpriest. (me) I just stay in non shadow form (which you don't need to worry about pre 50) and do offhealing as needed.
I have also done instances with the main boss 2 levels above us at pre bc instances with 4 man. specifically I did underbog with a 4 man group non heroic with all of us at 66-68 However everyone needs to know their classes and have a good combination. We had a hunter, druid, s-priest and resto shaman for that group. hunter was one good sob at kiting/offtanking mobs. while the druid was one good mof who never lost aggro or if he did didn't loose it for long. (we also let him have 5-7 seconds to build up aggro as it would have been easy to wipe otherwise)
ps don't try to heal 70 instances unless you have verrry good healing gear and/or have a well geared tank. I healed up to the last boss in bot . problem was we kept dying on the last boss with him at 10%. (I kept going oom at that point even using long heals as there was not enough dps/ and tank had not enough armor/ damage reduction to stretch my mana as much as needed. )
Additionally if you find a tank to party with, 4 or even 5 man quests are slightly easier. I've done 5 man quests with 3-4 people at the level with a tank, a dpser and a shadowpriest. (me) I just stay in non shadow form (which you don't need to worry about pre 50) and do offhealing as needed.
I have also done instances with the main boss 2 levels above us at pre bc instances with 4 man. specifically I did underbog with a 4 man group non heroic with all of us at 66-68 However everyone needs to know their classes and have a good combination. We had a hunter, druid, s-priest and resto shaman for that group. hunter was one good sob at kiting/offtanking mobs. while the druid was one good mof who never lost aggro or if he did didn't loose it for long. (we also let him have 5-7 seconds to build up aggro as it would have been easy to wipe otherwise)
ps don't try to heal 70 instances unless you have verrry good healing gear and/or have a well geared tank. I healed up to the last boss in bot . problem was we kept dying on the last boss with him at 10%. (I kept going oom at that point even using long heals as there was not enough dps/ and tank had not enough armor/ damage reduction to stretch my mana as much as needed. )
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ps don't try to heal 70 instances unless you have verrry good healing gear and/or have a well geared tank. I healed up to the last boss in bot . problem was we kept dying on the last boss with him at 10%. (I kept going oom at that point even using long heals as there was not enough dps/ and tank had not enough armor/ damage reduction to stretch my mana as much as needed. )
I healed SL at level 69 in my 63-ish healing gear (about 750 +heal), and it was fine. The tank was decently geared (no purples), but most importantly, he was specced for it.
As for the original question, go shadow. When leveling with a rogue, you shouldn't have to heal much outside of instances anyways, and some more damage doesn't hurt. I've had multiple rogues with whom I leveled together for some time, and the heals required in those duoing situations were little, if not none.
In instances, you won't need Healing Focus if your tank knows what he's doing.
If you really wanted to improve your heals, you should spec at least to Divine Fury (I realized how much of a pain 3 sec heals are when I respecced to shadow at 65).
My build at 65 (before I went shadow) looked something like this.
But I'd still recommend you spec shadow, if it's not a problem for you.
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In parties, shadow priests are great because of their health/mana returns. When playing with my shaman, a shadow priest is definitely part of the group of my dreams.
Shadow priests can also provide Mind Control as CC which is always great fun (although not the best CC possible).
Edited, Oct 9th 2007 8:38am by Kalivha
true when you get into the +700 spell damage range. Mind control cc begins to look less and less worth it as it starts to seem so much faster to just dps the mobs to death in heroic or non heroic modes. (not to mention all the mobs in raids are immune) good luck though and good hunting.
ps I never tried healing murmur but try to heal bot last boss. I had + 900 and 230 mp 130 mp/5. but still ran oom.
Edited, Oct 9th 2007 7:28am by Addermine
ps I never tried healing murmur but try to heal bot last boss. I had + 900 and 230 mp 130 mp/5. but still ran oom.
Edited, Oct 9th 2007 7:28am by Addermine
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Mind control cc begins to look less and less worth it as it starts to seem so much faster to just dps the mobs to death in heroic or non heroic modes.
But it's still so FUN! :D As shadow, I end up MC'ing through a number of heroics. Some of them put out pretty hefty damage.
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Shadow priests can heal quite nicely, if played right. Mind you, I'm only level 42 and it's my first character, so I'm in no way an expert...but in the short time that I've had shadowform, I've discovered that if I get VE going immediately, do my roll of shadow spells, and continue to mindflay or switch to an add, I can keep a constant heal on everyone with very low agro- lower than just straight heals. It helps to have a good group though, who knows their roles too. I've been lucky to have a lot of groups with a holy pally and a shaman who were able to back me up in crisis- but if the going gets bad, you can always pop out of shadow and heal. I've also been in a few groups with holy/disc priests, and we've worked really well together. She'd mind control, and I'd shield her when she releases him- she did main heals, but I spot checked as well (and keep an eye on her mana and agro too.) Between the two of us we managed nicely. Anyone who shuns you in a group has likely had a bad experience; they can either get over it and allow you to show them your stuff, or you can find a better group. Everyone has been pretty accepting of me so far- maybe a slight murmur "most priests are shadow priests...sigh" but at the end, no one complained, and in fact, they wanted to add me to have in a group again. Just discuss your role before your group and let them know what you're capable and willing to do. You can be pretty powerful, attack while healing, and when you get vampiric touch, you'll be giving everyone mana back as well. In addition, if you enjoy PvP, you can really bring hell (but be aware that you're a serious target as well...)
As for healing spells being interrupted- it's difficult at that level regardless- I never put any points into anything other than shadow so I don't know how well it works any other way. In lower instances, you really need a good group and good tank. It's hard to judge a situation going in, but I healed only when necessary to keep agro off of me and save mana. Generally heal just the tank at half full, but then you always have those unexpected situations where the whole group is getting thrashed or someone is taking damage a little faster than expected. If your group has a huge mob agro'd not much you can do about it...just got to be flexible and adjust and heal what you can. If you're getting interupted, throw up your shield, hit fade, and call out for someone to get the mob off you. Sometimes a bandage is good in these situations too when you don't want to raise agro. You just gotta strive to not be noticed and do your job at the same time. It's difficult at first. The easiest way to not get interrupted is to not draw attention to yourself- an almost impossible task when using holy spells.
As for healing spells being interrupted- it's difficult at that level regardless- I never put any points into anything other than shadow so I don't know how well it works any other way. In lower instances, you really need a good group and good tank. It's hard to judge a situation going in, but I healed only when necessary to keep agro off of me and save mana. Generally heal just the tank at half full, but then you always have those unexpected situations where the whole group is getting thrashed or someone is taking damage a little faster than expected. If your group has a huge mob agro'd not much you can do about it...just got to be flexible and adjust and heal what you can. If you're getting interupted, throw up your shield, hit fade, and call out for someone to get the mob off you. Sometimes a bandage is good in these situations too when you don't want to raise agro. You just gotta strive to not be noticed and do your job at the same time. It's difficult at first. The easiest way to not get interrupted is to not draw attention to yourself- an almost impossible task when using holy spells.
I've discovered that if I get VE going immediately, do my roll of shadow spells, and continue to mindflay or switch to an add, I can keep a constant heal on everyone with very low agro- lower than just straight heals.
the healing from ve may do less aggro than the straight heal.. however the damage + healing does not give less aggro than the striaight heal. (the aggro reduction is from your talent for your info)
but if the going gets bad, you can always pop out of shadow and heal.
always good advice. and one you should live by. dps is all nice and well done but spriests give utility to the raid/party their dps = some healing (saving the main healer some mana)and mana (giving the mana dps/healing/tanking classes that much more utility) however giving that doesn't mean a thing if the party wipes. so switch as needed.
the best advice I've ever heard was. I don't care what you've to do so long as you get from point A. (beginning of instance) to point B. (end of run) and the only people dying is the enemy.
the healing from ve may do less aggro than the straight heal.. however the damage + healing does not give less aggro than the striaight heal. (the aggro reduction is from your talent for your info)
but if the going gets bad, you can always pop out of shadow and heal.
always good advice. and one you should live by. dps is all nice and well done but spriests give utility to the raid/party their dps = some healing (saving the main healer some mana)and mana (giving the mana dps/healing/tanking classes that much more utility) however giving that doesn't mean a thing if the party wipes. so switch as needed.
the best advice I've ever heard was. I don't care what you've to do so long as you get from point A. (beginning of instance) to point B. (end of run) and the only people dying is the enemy.
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the healing jsut isnt good enough, but now nearly all priests around lvl 40 are shadow so its hard to find a decent priest anywhere.
Then you have yet to group with a shadow priest who knows what they're doing.
A priest is a priest is a priest. It will get a bit harder around lvl 70, but people still want at least one shadow priest for raids. As long as you have +int/+spi/+heal gear, you'll do fine for healing.
As a warlock in bg, I shun regular priests - they're as worthless to me as any other class. Give me a shadow priest, and I can take on five enemy players at a time, and together, beat them all. A well-played shadow priest is the only class (including other warlocks) that I trust to pair up with.
As a warlock in bg, I shun regular priests - they're as worthless to me as any other class. Give me a shadow priest, and I can take on five enemy players at a time, and together, beat them all. A well-played shadow priest is the only class (including other warlocks) that I trust to pair up with.
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Posted: Oct 22 2007 at 1:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) all priests should be shadow. leave raid healing to shamans and MT healing to paladins
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all priests should be shadow. leave raid healing to shamans and MT healing to paladins
And people like you should leave the game.
Imo priests are more mana-efficient for long raids.
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But it's still so FUN! :D As shadow, I end up MC'ing through a number of heroics. Some of them put out pretty hefty damage.
There are MCable trash mobs in SSC that fire off instant 4k holy fires, and our shadow priests beg to cc them every time we go through. Unfortunately, polymorphing is a much safer way to cc, but it never hurts to mess around.
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I've said it once and I'll say it again, I love having a shadow priest in my party. I consistently beg my kara raid leader to put me, the other healer priest and the mages in with our shadow priest so we can last longer.
Shadow priests aren't just dps, they're like elemental shamans and boomkin in a way; support dps. They can unload massive damage on their own, but they make other caster dps better at what they do.
And as people have said, shadow priests can still heal. And who says you can't have a vampiric touch/embrace ticking around while you're out of shadowform casting greater heal?
Shadow priests aren't just dps, they're like elemental shamans and boomkin in a way; support dps. They can unload massive damage on their own, but they make other caster dps better at what they do.
And as people have said, shadow priests can still heal. And who says you can't have a vampiric touch/embrace ticking around while you're out of shadowform casting greater heal?
lvl 54, I've played every instance at least once and only one person so far has asked me what kind of priest I am, its always just assumed that I will be healer. I guess no-one is too bothered whether I'm shadow or not (I'm not), and healers are in demand. Its like when I'm trying to find a tank, I'm not looking to see what warriors are prot spec, I'm just glad when I find one who has some idea of how to tank.
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imo 63 beast of a spriest
1) Even at 14 my heal spells are interrupted...do I use points in holy first to minimize interruption?
no hotkey fade if in group if not just deal with it or cast bubble bubble last forever at those levels and use renew alot
2) Are shadow specced priests which I figure are good to solo, shunned in parties as you level?
no i have made people decide that they would rather have a spriest than any other dps in a group i am basicly a mana bat and healing made easy
3) I thought a Priest was to heal why would anyone be Shadow post say 50? And are they again shunned in parties?
a spriest with a healing set can heal easy to 60 then its hard but can be done
i have been told i was one of the best healers they ever saw at 52 in brd and then i anounced i was shadow and one literaly bowed before me
4) If choose Shadow are heals/holy ganked....thinking when I chose Frost for Mage Fire spells still caused decent damage vs. told would be ganked.
if u mean ganked like decreased healing effectiveness yeah w/o a doubt but its not enough of a diference pre 60 to make healing even hard healing is easy download healbot and decursive love them and use them
1) Even at 14 my heal spells are interrupted...do I use points in holy first to minimize interruption?
no hotkey fade if in group if not just deal with it or cast bubble bubble last forever at those levels and use renew alot
2) Are shadow specced priests which I figure are good to solo, shunned in parties as you level?
no i have made people decide that they would rather have a spriest than any other dps in a group i am basicly a mana bat and healing made easy
3) I thought a Priest was to heal why would anyone be Shadow post say 50? And are they again shunned in parties?
a spriest with a healing set can heal easy to 60 then its hard but can be done
i have been told i was one of the best healers they ever saw at 52 in brd and then i anounced i was shadow and one literaly bowed before me
4) If choose Shadow are heals/holy ganked....thinking when I chose Frost for Mage Fire spells still caused decent damage vs. told would be ganked.
if u mean ganked like decreased healing effectiveness yeah w/o a doubt but its not enough of a diference pre 60 to make healing even hard healing is easy download healbot and decursive love them and use them
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and for the spriest who wont drop out of sf to heal grow up all otherdps classes that can heal will do it so why cant u
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