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what is better if you building up the assassination talent tree: 2 daggers or a dagger / sword combo ?
Well, it depends on how far in the mutilate tree you are going. If you are going all the way to Mutilate dagger/dagger. You said "levelling" and if that is the case, combat swords is the way to go 'til 50. Hope this helps :)
Untoucheable is very correct. You do not want to level using daggers. I did and it was a bad, bad experience. My leveling was 68 levels of "OMG why rouges sux so much?" when it was really just me being a moron and using daggers. When you hit 50, the avalibility of mutilate can make leveling with dagger viable, but still requires positioning. Time spent positioning equals less exp/hour.
One of our wisest here once made a post that looked something like this (I may have remembered this wrong):
Slow MH=High instant damage (instants like sinister strike)
Fast OH=Poison procs faster
Slow OH=High Mutilate damage
Anything Else=stupid
Now, since most sword are much slower than daggers, and you can't mutilate with swords (or till 50), combat swords is really the way to go leveling because of Sinister Strike.
To answer your original question however, the assassination tree should be mainly a support tree till 50, then you can take mutilate and make it your primary tree.
Summary: Go swords unless you have one hell of a plan.
One of our wisest here once made a post that looked something like this (I may have remembered this wrong):
Slow MH=High instant damage (instants like sinister strike)
Fast OH=Poison procs faster
Slow OH=High Mutilate damage
Anything Else=stupid
Now, since most sword are much slower than daggers, and you can't mutilate with swords (or till 50), combat swords is really the way to go leveling because of Sinister Strike.
To answer your original question however, the assassination tree should be mainly a support tree till 50, then you can take mutilate and make it your primary tree.
Summary: Go swords unless you have one hell of a plan.
I leveled on the assassination tree with a dagger MH and sword OH. May not have been the key leveling build, but it got the job done. I have several friends I group with that play warriors, so positioning wasn't a problem when with them.
Solo play is a lot easier when you get Cheap Shot and Kidney Shot. You can lock a mob down and have at it, and it helps with positioning. It's still kinda tough before mutilate because your combo point generation is crap.
I respeced full mutilate at 50 and I find my grinding has greatly improved. You will have to go dagger/dagger to do it though. I can lock a mob down almost fully and I barely take any hits. I really only take a food break when I have accidently pulled too many mobs, and I have found that I can take 3 mobs my level without dying.
Solo play is a lot easier when you get Cheap Shot and Kidney Shot. You can lock a mob down and have at it, and it helps with positioning. It's still kinda tough before mutilate because your combo point generation is crap.
I respeced full mutilate at 50 and I find my grinding has greatly improved. You will have to go dagger/dagger to do it though. I can lock a mob down almost fully and I barely take any hits. I really only take a food break when I have accidently pulled too many mobs, and I have found that I can take 3 mobs my level without dying.
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So basically yall are saying to forget moves like ambush and backstab....just wanna know because I am like a lvl 26 and i am having a hard time pvping with daggers sometimes, especially when i dont crit at the right moment (ie Ambush). And can someone tell me if i'm on the wrong track with my build..
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Skullcrusher&n=Silented
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Skullcrusher&n=Silented
For your level, if Assassination is the way you want to go, then you are fine. I would replace the offhand with a good sword though. You only need one dagger for backstab. I think Ruthlessness should be your next choice. Those extra combo points are awesome for when your eviscerate doesn't finish the fight, allowing you to chain a finishers. Ambush is an ok opener until you get cheap shot, then you want the stun so you can get a backstab in, and the two combo points from CS. Until you get Kidney shot, gouge will be your friend. A good low level assassination/dagger rotation would be
Cheap Shot> Backstab> Gouge> Backstab> Evicerate.
Once you get KS it will be
CS>BS>SS>SS>KS>BS>BS and then choose your finisher based on their health.
If you want to level quickly, then no, your build is not the way to go. You will want to respec to combat swords and get two good swords off the AH. This may also help you in PvP. After that its just SSx5 > Eviscerate.
Play the way you like, but you will get better results out of assassination after 50, more around 55.
Edited, Oct 10th 2007 8:27am by AtrophyGFour
Cheap Shot> Backstab> Gouge> Backstab> Evicerate.
Once you get KS it will be
CS>BS>SS>SS>KS>BS>BS and then choose your finisher based on their health.
If you want to level quickly, then no, your build is not the way to go. You will want to respec to combat swords and get two good swords off the AH. This may also help you in PvP. After that its just SSx5 > Eviscerate.
Play the way you like, but you will get better results out of assassination after 50, more around 55.
Edited, Oct 10th 2007 8:27am by AtrophyGFour
AtrophyGFour wrote:
If you want to level quickly, then no, your build is not the way to go. You will want to respec to combat swords and get two good swords off the AH. This may also help you in PvP. After that its just SSx5 > Eviscerate.
Edited, Oct 10th 2007 8:27am by AtrophyGFour
I really don't think that is a very good idea for lvling with swords. Personally, I would still use cs at least. I don't remember my rotation while leveling, but what I use for farming is cs>snd>ss>ss>ss>evis. Usually only 3 ss cause the mob is dead by #3 or close to it. I only get an evis in about 50% of the time. Depending on the quality of your weapons, this will change of course to a larger number of ss, but it's pretty easy just to look at the health bar and determine when to evis. Obviously, don't use it with less than 3pts cause ss does more damage.
I agree, Cheap Shot would be the better opener, and it is available at 26 (couldn't remember offhand if it was 26 or 28). I have never specced combat, so I was 100% on the rotation, but I knew there were a lot of SS in there. =P
LOL...I would love to see a Photoshop of Christopher Walken in that SNL sketch with two swords saying he needs more Sinister Strike.
LOL...I would love to see a Photoshop of Christopher Walken in that SNL sketch with two swords saying he needs more Sinister Strike.
went daggers all the way and it was going this way
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fGtfox0RVZhZV
however this was pre bc when there was no such thing as mutilate.
the typical rotation was
cs, gourge, wait, bs, plink, plink, kidney shot, bs, evis bs. it wasn't pretty, it wasn't fast but to me it was finess and controlling the fight that took my fancy. pre bc I was dealing decent damage in instances and battlegrounds. I do suggest picking up dual swords from 10-50 however. (or dual maces) as it is faster to solo though it. if you have someone to tank for you, go ahead and choose daggers. the damage from daggers shines when you can stab the mob in the back.
ps a sample build.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhZGcEzb0zxM
Addermine wrote:
cs, gourge, wait, bs, plink, plink, kidney shot, bs, evis bs.
I'm not entirely sure why you would gouge after a cs. Maybe you meant to say cs, bs,(wait for E) gouge, bs,(wait for E) ks, bs, bs? or something along those lines.
Anyway, @OP, I wish that I could give you some advice pertaining to your question, but I don't have any experience leveling with assassination. My first rogue was leveled with mostly sub up to 44 where I switched to combat at 45 (after getting thrash blade and some cheap, quick blue oh from the ah). I was stupid and only very reluctantly switched to combat. I really liked using daggers. After probably the first half hr, I realized the wisdom (from this forum) of this change. When I got to outlands, I finally dropped combat for mutilate. But only reluctantly. By all means, level how you enjoy it, but don't be afraid to change when it becomes a chore.
Edited, Oct 10th 2007 3:13pm by Glossu
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