Rant - Why can't people get BM damage?Follow

Keep in mind for next time that when you skip critical details and add them later, it makes you seem like you're full of sh*t.



Bosses are immune to stun, and from what I recall, without Stun procing your pet generates no threat from Intimidate. Even if I'm wrong and your pet gets the threat spike even though it couldn't stun the boss, that threat spike isn't nearly enough to get aggro onto your pet if all your pet was doing up to that point was standard dps.

More to the point, if you FD the mob would go back onto the tank. In other words, even trying to have your pet tank after you pulled aggro was a waste of mana. More likely, however, significant parts of your story are fabrications.



If you have nobody to back you up on the whelps, there are still options available to you to manage them without cutting down too badly on your overall dps. Remember, damage meters tally the dps you do on everything, not just the mob the person running the meter is fighting. That means all of the dragonkin you're pewpewing on add duty are contributing to your damage tally on the meter. Whelps actually help your overall damage on the meter because there's no more ideal Mutli-Shot/Explosive trap fodder a Hunter could hope for in any Outland instance I've run.



OK, but I was giving you an easy out...because I still smell bullsh*t.



All it takes is one blatant, concious Huntard moment in an instance to @#%^ over the entire group. Had your FD been resisted and the healer drew hate trying to help you recover from the whalloping you were taking because you purposely decided to put your damage meter performance ahead of the group, you could well have been responsible for a wipe. In OH. Where a wipe on the last boss means you have to re-fight the 10 dragonkin before you can go at the boss again. Not to mention the repair bills all around.

Mistakes are made and sometimes sh*t happens. When you purposefully and specifically do something that puts the entire group at risk trying to get your e-peen erect so you can prove you're not as little as the guy who has been stroking his for the entire run prior, the baybeh geezuz cries, angels weep sweet Huntard tears, and drug company trend sniffers start getting spontaneous ideas about an e-peen viagra.



Didn't Raptors get dash in the last patch? More to the point, how fast your pet gets to the mob in that particular fight isn't going to affect your overall dps that much. You're being dishonest and making excuses for why you're a sh*tty Hunter, and when it got mashed in your face throughout the course of the "10" various PUGs you were in that day, the best you could do to prove you weren't a Huntard was to be a Huntard. That's like someone accusing you of being a thief so you steal their video camera to record yourself not stealing anything.



You have an angel in your ******? Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet.



I'm flaming you for being a dishonest, thin skinned Huntard. WTF did you think you were proving by trying to out-dps a better geared, pure dps class?

Hellloooooo!!! Reality check! Hunters aren't pure dps classes. If someone in your party gets a superiority complex from having better gear and posting higher numbers on the damage meter, that's their problem. Don't respond to them by being a buffoon and making you your group's problem.


Edited, Oct 9th 2007 1:28am by AureliusSir

Step 1 for recovery from Huntardism: Stop making excuses.



Step 2 for recovery from Huntardism: Don't be what you claim to despise.

If the effect damage meters has on the egos of others is your complaint, illustrating your point by telling everyone about how a damage meter caused you to put your ego ahead of the group is only going to make you look bad.



Step 3 for recovery from Huntardism: If you don't care to do those things that can make you more effective in groups, don't join groups.

Even better, don't come here and spout off a mountain of sh*t talking about how you were doing your best to help your party and then contradict yourself by saying you prefer to do most things your way and you don't care if options to improve are at your disposal.



So your healer friend has some magical ability to not generate threat while spam curing you because your FD was resisted (not something you can control), when you would have been better off using FD before you pulled hate and not risk having it become an issue? I think not. Stop making bloody excuses for attrocious behavior.



What in the BLUE HELL are you on? You specifically go out of your way to spike damage because you're pissed off at the Rogue for commenting on your overall damage relative to his, and now you're saying you weren't out to prove you could do big damage? WTF was the point then? Did you even have a point, or did you just have a Huntard hissy fit?



You don't use a threat meter, do you?

If you did, you'd note that Growl from a regular pet will account for maybe 900-1000 threat. If all your pet had been doing up to that point was dps, it would likely be sitting at perhaps 1/4 of the tank's threat, if that. Since most competant tanks will have easily 3-4k threat well within the first 10 seconds of a single-target fight, that means your pet would have had absolutely no chance whatsoever of getting the boss' attention after you FD. None. Zero. Your pet didn't tank a goddam thing after you used FD.

In other words, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

It's really, really simple. Stop lying. Now. Either acknowledge that this entire story of yours was 100% bullsh*t you made up off the top of your head, or at least stop trying to rationalize your previous lies with new ones.



I don't rate camp you, even though you probably deserve it for posting such obvious tripe. You've demonstrated on your own that despite having been around on Alla long enough to make 81 posts, you haven't bothered to read or learn a @#%^ing thing to make yourself that much more of a benefit to your group. Christ, I could come up with more plausible lies if I was half asleep.



Naw, you lost that one on your own.



Couldn't resist.



You've still missed the point. If you're positioned properly, your pet has to run maybe 10 yards to catch an add on the top of the steps. Tops. Even a pet without a movement increase ability can cover that in a couple of seconds. If you'd stop trying to make excuses for your inadequacy, shut up, and learn something, you might actually be that much more of an asset (instead of simply an ***) the next time you and your group square off against Kargath.

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 2:21am by AureliusSir

A little off topic - but is it also worth switching my meta gem to the +24 AP one?

Ok thanks Mulgrin.

I did a little math and if I regemmed I'd only raise my attack power by about 70 or so and lose 24 crit rating and 30 stamina. I am working on a PvP set actually and have a ring, Crystallforged axe, and the gladiator gloves for it. I will go ahead and regem soon and be working on more attack power improvements as I go along.

Part of my issue is that I have a lot of items that lack agility - Ebon Netherscale set - so I may never have huge AP.

you have ebon nether?
if so USE NOW PLZ.
Gemmed with +16AP gems its pretty damn good.
as bm you DONT need agility, you need AP.

Yes - but those are meta gems and I only have one meta gem slot (helm) which you suggested I keep the relentless. I thought you meant for regular slots.

Not at all. Actually it was the other hunters on the same raid.

Please stop talking and it will save everyone time :D

Some people thrive off competition. It drives people to work harder and faster. As long as they aren't hurting anyone, who cares?

Well, you can get yourself _one_ of these: Bold Ornate Ruby.

Damage meters bring some objectivity into a scenario. (ie, "Is that other Hunter really as useless as he seems to be? Well, he hasn't managed to trap his mob in the last three fights, and he's done about 1/3 as much damage as I have. Ya, he's pretty useless...I'll have to remember to try not to group with him again.")

I can't keep an eye on everyone in the group at all times. I've got mobs to trap, secondary CC on strays, and dps on the tank mob to worry about. So I catch the Hunter meleeing out of the corner of my eye. Does that mean he has been doing it the whole time? I can't be bothered to watch and find out...the damage meter does that for me. It's not about, "haha I'm better" it's about, "I didn't join this Steamvaults party to spend 2.5 hours ******* around for nothing....why has it turned into that?" The damage meter only tells part of the story, but it tells a very significant part.

LOL! Really?

Anyone else notice my attitudes are set in stone? Strange, I seem to be among the first to say, "How do you do that?" and try to work it out on my own from what I read, the forum helps me learn. The only thing set in stone is that I prefer more diplomatic exchanges of ideas around here.

If you don't mind my observing, but it seems like you just skimmed my post or you might've noticed that it was 180° out of what you are claiming I said.

Case in point: about RAID's, I said that I couldn't speak directly to it for the high level stuff and I specifically excluded guilds or known groups and focused on PUG's with the remaining commentary you quoted. If you'd like examples of bad PUG raids, just *read* the actual threads here about them and you'll find innumerable ones of a sucky nature. Seems everyone has a stack of horror stories. You must only join perfect PUG groups, which I find amazing! I wish I had your luck!

Amazingly, AureliusSir seemed to get the point and responded in an appropriate sense, and he's correct, it's just a tool in the box, and I whole heartedly agree about using it to notice what's being done. That was the point of my post.

If you are able do CC, teamwork AND top the damage meter every fight, I bow to you sir. I cannot, as it is a limitation of my meager skills, I need to focus on something like most people do. A man's got to know his limitations, or so Clint says.

I do not strive for mediocrity, I strive for excellence but I do know what I can and cannot do. I grew up on Intellivision, not Nintendo or Playstation. I don't have the reflexes of the average 12 year old, those days are long over. So I have to play a bit smarter, and within the limitations I have. I suspect most folks have limitations they have to play around. That would make it very difficult to do all the Hunter job at the same time and still top the damage meters.

I didn't say anyone else couldn't, I just said *I* couldn't and that I don't have experience seeing anyone else being able to do it. Doesn't me it can't, just means I haven't seen it. If you can, post up a video, I'd love to see how it's done, maybe I *can* do it... I just want to see how you can maintain a mountain of dps fire while trapping, kiting and rescuing the clothies. Or perhaps I'm wrong, maybe in the end game there's no need for those other hunter activities and it's all dps. I guess I'll find out in 4 levels.

Oh, and FYI, I *HAVE* seen a lot of Hunters ignore their teammates, ignore CC, and focus on DPS in instances, which is the group I'm talking to. Everyone hated them, labeled them 'huntards' or just jerks. They were ruled by the damage meter and their own egos. They wiped the party more often than not and none of them were team players. Saw one kicked while they kept mediocre me. Maybe there is a place for us mediocre hunters who use our damage meters as tools to improve our own performance and leave our egos out of it.

Personally, I am on the boards to learn and share what I've learned. If you don't find value in it, fine, but grow up and realize that not everyone is you and some others in the same boat may find wisdom in another persons experience.

Then I stand corrected about their usefulness in end-game Raids. I was using my experience with BG raids (I did say this didn't I?) and extrapolating them with what I was reading from others and some with whom have spoken to about Kara and such. I expected more teamwork and cc opportunities, apparently they are more rare, than as Elustriel said 'I guessed at'.

I find it sad that I'm doing all this work to better my CC and teamwork and in the end I'm just going to be planting and doing a shot rotation in those big raids. Kind of turns us into physical damage dealing mages with cute pets doesn't it? ^_^

Thanks for politely correcting my perceptions Azwing and not adding additional insults and erroneous observations...