Rant - Why can't people get BM damage?Follow

This is just a semi-rant. I am a 41/20 BM spec http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Arathor&n=Itharil and I do pretty good dps. I just keep getting ignorant people who keep telling me that "hunters can't do good dps" and then posting damagemeters. When I request that they add my pets damage in or I post my damagemeter with my pets damage factored in (usually puts me in the top spot or number two) I get told that my damage meter is wrong or pets dont do that much damage. Sigh. Is this unique to me or do other hunters have this problem?

Eh, remember that some of the survival hunter's damage isn't done by him. What I mean is keeping EW up, thus increasing the damage of you and the tank. He was still pretty low, but keep that in mind.

I usually don't post the damage meter until after someone else has posted their own which does not include my pet.

I mostly run with my guildies and they are all good people so their are no hard feelings but they are usually shocked at my report all the same.

Here are some of the questions I get:

"Are you sure that's right?"

"Did you clear the meter before you entered the instance?" ( Mine does it automatically when I join a group lol)

People just have no idea how much damage we are really doing becuase they are scewed by old misconceptions and their own incomplete damage meters.

So basically I think its a very good thing to let people know that we can hang with VERY respectable DPS. I had a fire mage beat me in sh this weekend but he also died several times. He was the only pugger in our guild party.

You should have heard our pally tank on vent:

"Did he just use dragon's breath again......./sigh"

:D

My gear is not even all that good yet really, since this is my 3rd 70 and I have major altitis. He has only been 70 around 3 weeks. I can't wait to see my DPS once I am a bit deeper in my gear with Kara and heroics.






Edited, Oct 7th 2007 11:33pm by Shojindo

I keep proving in 5 mans everyday that BM hunter is top dps class every time by very big margins usually, only rarely I see lock mage or rogue that are actually close to my dmg, even then, have yet to beat me. As for isssues of them not believing, I haven't actually encountered any as of yet.

Todays BM for example, Mage and Rogue both 200k behind me in dmg dealt after the run.

So the old Hunters can't do dps is fading away. No worries.

Hey Aethien is my gear, enchs ok?

Edited, Oct 8th 2007 4:25am by Elustriel

+6 stats on chest is better, -40hp, +90mp, +6 AP +~0.13% crit.
GET NEW BRACERS! even just cheap ones from the felstalker set for less then 50g on ah.
they are WAY better.
+40AP, +10 crit on legs is better
+12 agi on boots.
rest is good.

Or an equally skilled and geared rogue or lock.
Hunters are good dps, but just behind the pure dps classes.

I ran my first instance where damage meters were posted after the run. Not sure how/why I've been able to avoid this til now. This was a pug, so maybe my guild isn't into DM.

Anyway, I topped the charts, which isn't surprising since I was 2-4 lvls above the rest of the group. But as I scrolled down the chart, I saw my pet Marduk listed. Nice, I thought to myself, he did a good job too. Then someone in the group asked 'who's marduk?' 'idk'. When I spoke up that he was my pet, they all said 'nice' or 'cool'. I guess whoever had the meter running had it calibrated for pets (or is that the default?).

Guess a well played fire mage is a rare breed, I have met fire mages before, guess they weren't that good.

Maybe you are right about well played dps classes, just have yet to meet those that are capable of staying ahead.

http://wowwebstats.com/j6sf2fpyuls4w?s=3892-4309

WWS for the win. My guild never questions that hunters do alot of dps....well...some hunters :D

90% of the time I remain silent when people talk of damage meters. I'm not a serious raider, and never will be. I can understand (vaguely) the importance of them. I have a hard time stiffling my laughs when people on my group argue over spots on a damage meter. It's like an old fashioned pi$$ing contest. Like "nee ner nee ner nee ner! I hurt him more!" /clap... *stare at the body on the floor* Apparently we all hurt him pretty good....

Point is that if the job got done, everyone did their job, what's the big deal? Does it really matter who's name is more legible in the snow?

We have no problem with our DPS performing to a satisfactory level, I run Damage Meter, and the Other hunter runs Healing Meter, and more or less, We always find a healer lacking :)

/agree

Despite how much I brag about topping the DM, I am under the firm opinion everybody else should have- Doing your job is a must and a skill, topping the DM is a bonus. Boss is dead? Check. Few people dead? Check. (as opposed to whole raid) Job well done :)

Why not do both? There is nothing stopping you. It sure aint stopping me. I don't overagro, CC just great, and still top dmg.

As for you story, something doesn't really click. Why would you overagro on purpose when you got agro dumps FD, MD and why was your pet even pulling agro o.O?
Also nowhere in your story it says that rogue pulled aggro from the tank but you actually did, even though you don't have to.

You only proved that it made you reckless even though you could have avoided that, so basically your preconceptions were already in play about how dmg meters are the source of all EVIL. ;o

And it's not like you encounter people that like to brag often about their dmg, I met like 2 total out of many many groups I did.


This maybe a bit off topic, but for the love that is holy, please drop spirit bond and put those points into imp mend pet. I just couldn't stay quiet about that travesty.

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 1:32am by Elustriel

When I was BM spec, I had both. I leveled to 70 primarily solo (ie. probably over 95% of the total xp I earned from 1-70 was done without a party). Spirit Bond keeps the grind grinding. It doesn't seem like much, but over the course of a couple of hours worth of grinding, it almost always kept my health bar full (or near full) despite taking the occasional whack.



The only conceivable way your pet is going to be able to get threat from a boss mob after you blast through the tank's threat threshold is if you were using Growl (or your particular pet's equivalent) periodically throughout the fight. I'd hate to think you had it on auto-cast.

I smell *********

For starters, if you weren't a Huntard you'd never put your ego ahead of the rest of the party. You'd do your ******* job the right way, which is to give the tank a little time to build threat, dps hard and then FD to reset, then dps hard again. Repeat as necessary until the boss is dead or your party is.

Which leads into the next "If you weren't a Huntard" component: you'd FD before you'd use your pet's tanking threat abilities to manage the situation. Using your pet to tank for you until the tank could get above it in threat is bloody stupid. As a BM Hunter, your pet is more an integral part of your dps than any other Hunter spec.

Getting butthurt because a better-geared loudmouth Rogue is giving you a hard time about your spot on the damage meter is weak all by itself. Getting so butthurt that you'd jeopardize your party trying to prove a point is bloody disgraceful. Rogues are pure dps classes. The only real crowd control they are ever expected to do is a Sap right before the pull. That means after the pull happens, they stand opposite the tank and spank out damage.



I ran BM tonight with a mage geared for Gruul's. I was on add duty with him backing me up on the whelps. I never stopped shooting. By the end of the run, he had only edged me out by 4% of overall damage done. Add duty doesn't mean kill the little things that come out of the portal and then jam your thumb up your *** waiting for the next one. It means mash the adds and then get back on the portal keeper. You should be easily within range of the portal keeper to resume dps as soon as your add is down. Sometimes you'll get overrun and spend all of your time on adds (whelps really ***** things up for Hunters if you have no backup to manage them quickly), but you're still doing damage. If you make sure you never stop shooting at something, your overall damage done for the run will go up dramatically, you'll start to earn a reputation for yourself as something other than a Huntard, and your thumb won't smell like ****.

Shattered Halls is no different. I keep my pet at my side with Charge and Growl set to auto-cast (bite and gore off because focus can be an issue). Track Humanoids up, dps on Kargath, and as soon as an add gets up the stairs my boar is on him in a heartbeat and I unleash hell. Add down, back to dps on boss. Repeat as necessary.



I'd say more than a bit much. If you ever pulled that kind of crap in a party I was in, I'd never invite you to another group. It's a game. Do your thing to help your party as best you can and ignore the e-peen strokers. The best way to keep from catching their load in your eye is to not even look at them.