Need help on a build x.xFollow

you're a dagger rogue and you don't like to backstab...

whoa dude, this is just like me! I'm a priest, but I don't cast spells, I don't like it when my mana gets low. I just melee sh*t. If blizzard didn't want us to do this, they would clearly not give us inner fire...

on second thought, I'm not even going to go through all of the things you don't get. theo, all yours, make this entertaining please?

Edited, Oct 6th 2007 11:13pm by russki

Wow......Where do I begin?

You do realize that the damage you do sinister striking with a dagger is laughable?

If you don't like backstabbing go swords (either combat or Hemo). Combat daggers is probably the hardest build to level/grind/pvp with. It's a raiding build, and that's all it's good at. If you insist on using daggers try a Mutilate build, which is much better at PVP and grinding.

If you don't like to backstab, at the very least get rid of your daggers and get some swords..... and for the love of God, read the damn stickies.

Well, actually, I don't have the slightest idea where to get a good easy get sword. I could ask my guildies for help, but the problem is that there is another Rogue who would just copy off me, making there be competition.

For the daggers, I'm using Harbringer of Doom and Dib'Muad's Crysknife :|

Elaborating on what Slyyth posted,you seem to be going for some variation of a combat dagger build. Besides the fact that your planned build is full of holes, it is effectively useless outside of raids. Knowing this, if for some reason you are still set on that kind of build, you may want to go with:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0gcoLZhfy00Ez0MMRtV

Otherwise, if you are looking for a dagger build that has pve/pvp merit, you might want to consider combat mutilate:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fheboxgoizVoGcV0bV

(Again this is essentially what Slyyth wrote, but with examples of ideal builds courtesy of Damea's review)

Sinister strike is an attack that adds to your weapons damage. Let's look at two weapons (these are the ones that I just barely replaced).


[wowitem=19040]Zorbin's Mega-Slicer[/wowitem]
One-HandSword
46 - 86 DamageSpeed 2.30
(28.7 damage per second)
+6 Agility
+5 Stamina


[wowitem=15216]Rune Sword of the Tiger[/wowitem]
Rune Sword of the Tiger
One-HandSword
34 - 63 DamageSpeed 1.60
(30.3 damage per second)
+6 Agility
+6 Strength

Now you'll notice the dps is pretty close. One is 30.3 and the other is 28.7. I have the Zorbin slicer on my main hand even though its dps is lower. The reason is because the damage is 46-86 compared to the rune sword of 34-63. This means my sinister strikes will hit harder Zorbin. The damage speed is higher and this makes the dps lower. The faster rune sword is used in the off-hand for more poison and potency procs.

For a combat build people say to put a slow hander in your main and a fast off hand sword. This is a little misleading. What you're actually looking for in a main hand is a higher dmg number. If you had two swords with equal dmg but different weapon speeds the faster one is the one you'd want to take. Your dps would increase and your attacks like sinister strike would still hit the same slow or fast. The reason they say a slow main hand is because Blizzard will normally put a higher dmg weapon with a slower speed. This is to balance out the dps of two different swords of the same lvl. So yes look at the speed of a weapon but don't forget to compare the dmg part of it because that's where it will make the most difference.

Sorry, forgot to add:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Maelstrom&n=Jadelia


Sword i'm putting in main hand next level :

http://thottbot.com/i12974


Good idea ? Any comments on the order ? Black knight + cross dagger in offhand.