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308 is the hit cap because:

when you hit 308, you effectively cant gain anymore +hit percentage

why? built in 1% miss chance, circa DND (the one roll, perfect fail no matter what)

so at 308 with 5/5 precision, that should 99% you.... any more +hit, and while youll be at say 99.5 or whatever, still a 1% miss chance

hit is important, but it isnt the only thing... ap is very important, and crit plays a part (agi for both, but ya same thing)

all hit and no ap means you almost never miss... but youll only have weak hits.... its a stat dance of ap/crit/hit.... with hit and ap being the most important, and crit being just a smidge behind

why your losing to them on the meters? they prob outclass your ap and crit by more then you 70-80 hit rating will make up

There is no innate chance to miss. You can completely eliminate the possibility through +hit gear. I really wish people would stop posting that crap, it gets old after a while.

With 2/2 Weapon Expertise and 5/5 Precision, your innate miss chance before +hit gear is 5 (Base) + 4 (L73) + 19 (DW Penalty) - 5 (Precision) - 3 (350->355 Weapon Skill) - .5 (355->360 Weapon Skill) = 19.5% chance to miss, which works out to 308.1 (so, 309 if you want to completely eliminate the .06% chance of amiss) Hit Rating to never miss. Ever. You will not see a miss event pop up under any circumstances.

The problem is that by going for so much hit, you severely gimp AP and Crit. In Karazhan gear you'll likely have more +hit then you'll have in later gear sets, as they exchange their +hit for more Crit and AP... resulting in higher DPS. There is no real 'hit rating point' you should be aiming for, assuming that you reach a decent level; instead, try to amass AP, Crit and Hit in more or less equivalent quantities.

Especially if you're gemming for +hit, stop doing that and gem for +crit/AGI/AP. You should see an increase in your DPS output.

It was never removed because it never existed in the first place. There's some confusion due to the way casters work (and there is indeed a 1% chance for their spells to be resisted that cannot be negated with +hit gear), but no such penalty exists for melee DPS. On the other hand we have to deal with dodges, so I'd say it balances out more in the casters favor than it does ours.

Yes, the combat system in Warcraft uses a combat table (one-roll) system, but it's possible to completely remove the possibility of certain combat events. Warriors prevent Crushing Blows (and Crits, for that matter) with Shield Block while tanking or have enough Defense to completely prevent the possibility of a Crit event, Shield Block or not. Sufficient +hit gear will prevent you from ever missing. Standing behind the monster will prevent it from Parrying, although Blizzard's definition of 'behind' can be amusingly deficient sometimes. Nothing like a Parried Backstab.

Looking at the page...



That's also incorrect, as that's sadly not the way that miss rate scaling occurs when looking at Boss mobs. If you're only trying to negate 24.6% (base) miss chance, then you're going to get misses. Without adding weapon skill, the base miss chance vs. a L73 is 9 + 19 = 28%.

To make a long story short - trusting WoWWiki for anything beyond the most basic facts (conversion rates for skill rating, for example) is not a good idea.

As Rip said, there is no default "can't fix it" chance to miss. I raided with capped hit for quite a while and it's pretty cool to see your WWS or Recount come back with 0 misses each an every time.

That being said, THERE IS NO BASE HIT NUMBER THAT YOU NEED FOR RAIDING. Hit is not the only stat that adds to DPS... and no matter how hard you try you will always have some hit, some AP, some agi, and some crit rating adding up to your final DPS numbers. If you want to increase hit, consider +8 hit gems. They are often the best choice for raiding (in general)... but it really depends on your build and buffs a bit too. Check out the DPS spreadsheet in my sig for more specific answers.

old knowledge from when i started... was wrong.. sigh, every other game has that small chance but alrighty then

my mistake, i wont be spreading that around anymore -_-

see i always figured at the very least they would have the melee one for 2h users... since they can cap easily, and thats kinda lame that they never miss after only what? 70 hit rating? not even? lol

I really wish you people (i.e. experts) would simply fix the Wiki article - as long as it has incorrect information you will have to correct people one by one forever.

I would do it myself, but I don't feel strong enough in the subject of weapon skill vs boss defense.

The hit cap is 308 only if you have 5/5 Precision and 2/2 Weapon Expertise as listed above.

Edit: Correction

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 3:44pm by Virtuo

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 3:45pm by Virtuo