So, I hit 60 with my baby hunter (gave up on Azeroth finally :( and am wandering in OL) and I basically team only with my 2 friends, warrior mostly and holy pally, due to RL issues with play time.
I havent done much instancing lately, we mostly do kill quests or I just farm around. So I have pet abilities on default, except when I dont want to **** off my prot warrior friend too much, then I turn the growl off.
The thing is I peeped a bit on my damage meter, I have it on default setup because of my lock mainly, and I found out that if I use only autoshot my pet comes very close or even outdamages me sometimes.
I am talking about simple single targets - press w (hunters mark + pet attack), q (attack), think about getting another cup of coffee, loot.
Is it normal that my pet (I use mostly windserpent btw) does that much more damage if I dont use any specials or there is something I am doing wrong?
My armory link - I am just going along with quest rewards and leveling right now.
Edited, Oct 6th 2007 7:30am by Sethy
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Sehty wrote:
Is it normal that my pet (I use mostly windserpent btw) does that much more damage if I dont use any specials or there is something I am doing wrong?
Youre Beastmastery; that's how it works. You want to do most of the dps, spec MM or SV. Otherwise youre probably fine.
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Youre Beastmastery; that's how it works. You want to do most of the dps, spec MM or SV. Otherwise youre probably fine.
Wrong. You should still WAY outdamage your pet as a BM hunter.
Sethy the problem is you have not developed a good shot rotation. Auto-shoot won't cut it. You have a ton of great special shots! Learn how to use them.
Well actually at 66 when you get steady shot it will get really easy for general purpose DPS just rotate Auto/Steady. But you still can't slack you will need to watch your Kill Command button, and if in an instance know when to dump every special shot you have to get off burst DPS at times.
Edited, Oct 6th 2007 8:04am by Shojindo
I do outdamage my pet IF I use anything else but autoshot. My question was is it ok if my pet does about the same amount of damage WHEN I use ONLY Auto Shot.
I never said I had any intentions of slacking in instances, I was talking about farming/soloing purposes exclusively.
I know exactly what abilities/spells/traps/we I have because they are all hotkeyed under my nose when I play.
Thanks for the advice to learn how to press my buttons, but I simply do not want to press them in certain situations. Why? Because sometimes when I play solo I just dont care to drink, eat, compete, get under stress, pull multiples or whatever. Because its the way I like it. I like fishing too, you probably wouldnt understand why.
I am used to ODing my pet by very far on my warlock, even if I just DoT my target and go take a smoke break. And I was (alone, not even counting pet) topping damage meter on this hunter in any group I had so far, so I just stopped looking.
I just noticed it now when I am being lazy and was wondering are BM hunter pets that OP really or is it my gear or some other mysterious reason.
I never said I had any intentions of slacking in instances, I was talking about farming/soloing purposes exclusively.
I know exactly what abilities/spells/traps/we I have because they are all hotkeyed under my nose when I play.
Thanks for the advice to learn how to press my buttons, but I simply do not want to press them in certain situations. Why? Because sometimes when I play solo I just dont care to drink, eat, compete, get under stress, pull multiples or whatever. Because its the way I like it. I like fishing too, you probably wouldnt understand why.
I am used to ODing my pet by very far on my warlock, even if I just DoT my target and go take a smoke break. And I was (alone, not even counting pet) topping damage meter on this hunter in any group I had so far, so I just stopped looking.
I just noticed it now when I am being lazy and was wondering are BM hunter pets that OP really or is it my gear or some other mysterious reason.
Autoshot will probably be about the same as your pet damage, although you start passing your pet in the mid 60's. So that's completely normal and where you want it. At 62 you will get steadyshot (not 66) and that will boost you dps by about 2. I still mostly just autoshot when I'm grinding though, as it leaves me with lots of mana, I never pull off my pet, and I never have to stop. I'll find and link a macro that is really nice.
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()
take out the 4th line until you reach lvl 66 and get Kill Comman
Edited, Oct 6th 2007 12:37pm by Xsarus
#showtooltip Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/castsequence reset=3 Steady Shot, Auto Shot
/cast [exists,target=pettarget] Kill Command
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear(); UIErrorsFrame:Show()
take out the 4th line until you reach lvl 66 and get Kill Comman
Edited, Oct 6th 2007 12:37pm by Xsarus
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nah, BM pets get +20% dps, +10% crit and frenzy on top of the +20% attack speed of serpent's swiftness.
They also get more focus if you have Bestial discipline and GftT (wich you should imo) so your serpent gets to spam lightning bolts while you relax and drink your coffee.
Or in other words, your pet goes nearly full on super dps (could be better when you fire more shots and thus crit more > more focus > more attacks) while you are at your minimum.
When you and your pet go full out you'll do ~65% and your pet ~35%, when you get steady shot that will probably change to 70-75 vs 25-30% of your total damage.
edit: the shooting cycle macro Xsarus posted gives you close to maximum damage (once you get steady shot), and you'll even get off with just spamming that button while raiding if you want to ;P
Edited, Oct 6th 2007 7:43pm by Aethien
They also get more focus if you have Bestial discipline and GftT (wich you should imo) so your serpent gets to spam lightning bolts while you relax and drink your coffee.
Or in other words, your pet goes nearly full on super dps (could be better when you fire more shots and thus crit more > more focus > more attacks) while you are at your minimum.
When you and your pet go full out you'll do ~65% and your pet ~35%, when you get steady shot that will probably change to 70-75 vs 25-30% of your total damage.
edit: the shooting cycle macro Xsarus posted gives you close to maximum damage (once you get steady shot), and you'll even get off with just spamming that button while raiding if you want to ;P
Edited, Oct 6th 2007 7:43pm by Aethien
I remember back when I'd just turn on dive and LB and auto-shot the target down while my wind serpent held aggro through DPS alone. So no, it's not wierd for your pet to have more DPS than you if you just auto-shot.
Good catch Xsarus on the level bit, I was going to make the correction as well.
Just turned 66 myself and got kill command. I'll use that macro now, but macros are not necessary to run an effective shot rotation. I'll just have to watch myself.
Macros do have a drawback, if you get too used to them, they can cause you to always spam the button you have assigned to them rather than react with special shots in certain situations.
I'm thinking of redoing all my main shot keys with macros that STOP the cast of a particular shot and immediately replace it with what needs to be done at the moment. It annoys me when I'm in the middle of a steady shot and I need to stop a cast or down a totem or something and I'm stuck. With Aimed, if I'm not to halfway and get surprised, I just hit ESC and go. With steady, it's just as fast to wait until the shot goes and then cast the next shot.
Anyone use stop cast and such in their macros? I'd like to know if there are any timing drawbacks to it (besides messing up your rotation, that I can live with if I need to get something out there fast.)
Just turned 66 myself and got kill command. I'll use that macro now, but macros are not necessary to run an effective shot rotation. I'll just have to watch myself.
Macros do have a drawback, if you get too used to them, they can cause you to always spam the button you have assigned to them rather than react with special shots in certain situations.
I'm thinking of redoing all my main shot keys with macros that STOP the cast of a particular shot and immediately replace it with what needs to be done at the moment. It annoys me when I'm in the middle of a steady shot and I need to stop a cast or down a totem or something and I'm stuck. With Aimed, if I'm not to halfway and get surprised, I just hit ESC and go. With steady, it's just as fast to wait until the shot goes and then cast the next shot.
Anyone use stop cast and such in their macros? I'd like to know if there are any timing drawbacks to it (besides messing up your rotation, that I can live with if I need to get something out there fast.)
Xsarus wrote:
it leaves me with lots of mana, I never pull off my pet, and I never have to stop.
Yes, that is how I like my farming to be too :)
Thanks a lot for the macro, I will try it soon I get to 62.
Btw can you maybe help me with macro for LB too, to stop that pet backing up sometimes? I saw it somewhere and simply cant find it now :(
Not that it bothers me right now but I have feeling it might come handy later.
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They also get more focus if you have Bestial discipline and GftT (wich you should imo)
I am 41 BM and just got to 10 MM, so GftT is my next 2 levels plan yes.
As far as macros go, I just use Scorpid Shot with /stopcasting for pulling and Freeze Trap with /stopattack - I feel safer that way, I like it better to stop and then attack again the proper target than break my traps due to lag or cat jumping on my kb.
I didnt pay attention to CDs so far but I will get on Sorrent Timers just to see what is cooldown on stop casting.
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I remember back when I'd just turn on dive and LB and auto-shot the target down while my wind serpent held aggro through DPS alone.
Yes, I noticed her pulling the aggro from my warrior friend even with growl off few times.
Oh well, I rolled this hunter to be my farming toon actually, but I fell in love with her so who knows where she might end :)
Thanks for soothing down my worries everyone :)
I managed double post for some reason >.<
Edited, Oct 7th 2007 5:07am by Sethy
Edited, Oct 7th 2007 5:07am by Sethy
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At 62 you will get steadyshot (not 66)
oops yeah was early when I posted thatsorry for the typo.
And Sethy I was not implying that you are unaware that you have special shots, only that auto-shot and then get a cup of cofee is going to be pretty slow.
But play how ever you want thats the beauty of the game and the nice thing about hunter solo. ;)
I know i may sound wierd with this, but i use absolutely no macros. I know, i'm wierd, just never have the time to make them, nor do i care that i don't have any. Using macros makes me feel like a robot, no fun at all.
I also use 100% standered hotkeys. Everything that i had when my toon was first made i use now. It makes things much more, simple, and keeps me on my toes.
Saying that, having to jump across the keyboard makes me really not want to when i don't have to, so i just auto-shot alot, and my pet does a huge chunk of my dps, as pets go at least. As said before, around 25-35% is ideal as a BM hunter. Any more than that and you need to fix shot rotation or get serious gear upgrades.
I also use 100% standered hotkeys. Everything that i had when my toon was first made i use now. It makes things much more, simple, and keeps me on my toes.
Saying that, having to jump across the keyboard makes me really not want to when i don't have to, so i just auto-shot alot, and my pet does a huge chunk of my dps, as pets go at least. As said before, around 25-35% is ideal as a BM hunter. Any more than that and you need to fix shot rotation or get serious gear upgrades.
No, Fang... I don't think you're weird. I have a 70 NE Hunter and have NEVER used a macro. I'd much rather PLAY the game than program keys to do it for me!
That having been said, I do my farming pretty much the same way as the OP. I may throw in a serpent sting or arcane shot to speed things along, but not very often.
Also, once you get Aspect of the Viper (I think its 68 or 70) you should have enough mana regen to throw in 3 or 4 "specials" and still have full mana for your next mob.
That having been said, I do my farming pretty much the same way as the OP. I may throw in a serpent sting or arcane shot to speed things along, but not very often.
Also, once you get Aspect of the Viper (I think its 68 or 70) you should have enough mana regen to throw in 3 or 4 "specials" and still have full mana for your next mob.
I only have one macro and that was just so I would remember to cast hunters mark. lol.
Its my
/cast hunter's Mark
/petattack
thats my only macro other than the
/point
/laugh
one I made for taunting people lol.
Its my
/cast hunter's Mark
/petattack
thats my only macro other than the
/point
/laugh
one I made for taunting people lol.
I'm slowing working into macros from not having them. I am still pretty 'clean' as far as macros go, but I am working on them. I need one for kill command because I have to spam the dang key and it screws up my shot rotation, so if I have a macro for it on my steadyshot, then I don't have to spam another key while casting steadyshot.
I don't really see them as a crutch but a way to get around the UI problems that Blizz has introduced by relying on a keyboard/mouse interface.
I'm even looking at the WoW keyboard that has the built in Blizz macros... could be useful once I got used to it... ^_^
I don't really see them as a crutch but a way to get around the UI problems that Blizz has introduced by relying on a keyboard/mouse interface.
I'm even looking at the WoW keyboard that has the built in Blizz macros... could be useful once I got used to it... ^_^
Well I got to 62 (63 actually just a few minutes ago) and I tried steady shot and yes, my overall damage when I use it increased to some 75% versus my pet doing 25%. When I dont mind having to drink every 3 mobs and spamming one button all the time that is.
Anyone got carpal tunnel problems from steady shot yet?
Anyway, I am wondering how smart is it to include arcane shot in combination? With plain trash/farming mobs I only use it for ending now, sometimes. But how (and do you) use it on lets say bosses? For now only advantage I see is being instacast, is there something that can affect damage of auto shot and make it more usefull than steady shot?
As far as macros go, I used to accidentally break traps a lot so I made myself /cast Freezing Trap /stopattack macro and one of the same kind for pulling. Otherwise I too use petattack with hunters mark, sort of saves space on hotbar.
I wish I had some sort of stopattack macro when I tab-change the target too.
I relay on macros on my warlock, chain seduce without macro would be next to impossible for me. But on hunter I guess I am just supporting my laziness.... or saving my fingers from premature arthritis >.<
There is lot of buttons mashing on hunter.
Anyone got carpal tunnel problems from steady shot yet?
Anyway, I am wondering how smart is it to include arcane shot in combination? With plain trash/farming mobs I only use it for ending now, sometimes. But how (and do you) use it on lets say bosses? For now only advantage I see is being instacast, is there something that can affect damage of auto shot and make it more usefull than steady shot?
As far as macros go, I used to accidentally break traps a lot so I made myself /cast Freezing Trap /stopattack macro and one of the same kind for pulling. Otherwise I too use petattack with hunters mark, sort of saves space on hotbar.
I wish I had some sort of stopattack macro when I tab-change the target too.
I relay on macros on my warlock, chain seduce without macro would be next to impossible for me. But on hunter I guess I am just supporting my laziness.... or saving my fingers from premature arthritis >.<
There is lot of buttons mashing on hunter.
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