I'd rate down slammerofkooter twice if I could. Once for the flamingly bad post that contradicted himself at least three times, and once for the highly offensive name. (I'm sorry yes I know that this is only really offensive in my girlish mind but still, I'd rather people not make up tactless names for hitting my stuff...)
Caldone is that good of a player. I tend not to comment on anything and just listen to what he says. I've tried a couple of his suggestions and they work. Why are you saying he's a bad player again? Because in the post you said you agreed with him, but then told him he was whineing? Makes no sense.
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I'd rate down slammerofkooter twice if I could
The sticker to that would be I was just starting to get to like him and then he did this ****... bad move on his part ;)
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(I'm sorry yes I know that this is only really offensive in my girlish mind but still, I'd rather people not make up tactless names for hitting my stuff...)
Wow I'm dense, I didn't even think of it in that sense...
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Caldone is that good of a player. I tend not to comment on anything and just listen to what he says.
At least somebody thinks so :D
Thanks for the compliment, though Aethien and NorthAI are arguably much more experienced than me :P I would say KDelenor was too, but he wears leather >.>
And don't forget Caldone is a Marksman. If you aren't careful, he'll drag you down with him, like a black hole where not even BM Hunters can dps well.
North... I will remember to post the DM meter ;) from tonight :)
Caldone the Shady wrote:
Last night I was in Kara with my shammy, we downed Kurator, it was a PUG sponsered by AM.
I see "You have recieved Dragon Quake SHoulderguards"
Then they link the Shammy/ROgue/Whatever Tier4 gloves and say, "who needs em", everybody who needed em rolled, myself included. I won with an 88 but then I hear over vent "Well to make this fair since Blue got the shoulders we will give the gloves to the next highest roll"
I see "You have recieved Dragon Quake SHoulderguards"
Then they link the Shammy/ROgue/Whatever Tier4 gloves and say, "who needs em", everybody who needed em rolled, myself included. I won with an 88 but then I hear over vent "Well to make this fair since Blue got the shoulders we will give the gloves to the next highest roll"
I bolded the key sections for emphasis.
I'd probably be disappointed too. The more I think about it, the more there seems to be perhaps a different angle.
If it's a PUG run and they don't have the benefit of an established dkp system or other loot priority system like you might see in a guild run, it could just be that they were trying to distribute the loot as evenly as possible. If you were the only person in the group able to make any kind of use out of the shoulder piece (regardless of whether or not it would require a respec to get the real benefit from), it makes sense that they give it to you. Now you've got your new shiny from the run...seeing your roll and realizing that someone else could likely walk out with nothing and you walk out with two new shinies might have seemed unfair to the rest of the group in the eyes of the ML. Consequently, they excluded you from eligibility. It doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me.
Frankly, I'd say your choice to up and leave the group at that point probably reflected poorly on you. At the very least, it might have been better to wait until a little later in the run. If they didn't exclude the guy who got the T4 token from eligibility for the next drop they could use, then ya...I'd bolt. But leaving the raid after already getting one epic because you were denied a second one from the same fight...eep. Probably not the best choice.
No... Hell no... It does not make sense at all. How would that raidleader know anything about what kind of Gear Cal had lying around in his bank? Or in his inventory? Or if he even wanted a set for that specc? You never, never, just throw an item at someone because they might have a use for it. You ask first. If it isn't needed, you disenchant it. That's all there is to it.
No discussion needed.
No discussion needed.
NorthAI the Hand wrote:
No... Hell no... It does not make sense at all. How would that raidleader know anything about what kind of Gear Cal had lying around in his bank? Or in his inventory? Or if he even wanted a set for that specc? You never, never, just throw an item at someone because they might have a use for it. You ask first. If it isn't needed, you disenchant it. That's all there is to it.
No discussion needed.
No discussion needed.
As i said earlier, caldone got ~10g instead of an upgrade.
(because he has better healing shoulders i think)
NorthAI the Hand wrote:
No... Hell no... It does not make sense at all. How would that raidleader know anything about what kind of Gear Cal had lying around in his bank? Or in his inventory? Or if he even wanted a set for that specc? You never, never, just throw an item at someone because they might have a use for it. You ask first. If it isn't needed, you disenchant it. That's all there is to it.
No discussion needed.
No discussion needed.
In a PUG run, the notion of sharding an epic would never occur to me. I think it would be totally reasonable that the ML would see an epic that only one person in the raid would have any use for and give it to them. Even if the first thing that went through his head when he saw Caldone's roll for the T4 token was, "Oh ****...I've made a mistake," what's done is done. Imagine how thoroughly outraged the others in the group might have been seeing Caldone walk away with an epic and a T4 token from the same fight.
I'm not saying what the ML did was right about giving Caldone the shoulders. That's the ***** with BoP. I'm saying if you look at it from the proper angle, it's entirely conceivable that the ML was just trying to be fair to everyone, and getting all in a huff over it and leaving might not have been the most sage option. Again, it probably would have been better to ride it out for a while longer and see what happens if something dropped that the person with the new T4 token could use as well. Would they be excluded from eligibility too?
**** happens. People make mistakes. Getting angry about it and leaving after the first "offense" when there is a far less offensive perspective to be held probably wasn't such a good idea.
Maybe it's because up to this point I only have two purples on my toon. It just doesn't make sense to me that a situation like that could get someone so riled up (in a PUG, no less) that he'd ***** over 8 other people by leaving in order to voice his disapproval over the actions of one. I've left groups in the middle of this or that scenario before, but not because of one person. There has to be widespread idiocy throughout the group before I'll ditch them.
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Imagine how thoroughly outraged the others in the group might have been seeing Caldone walk away with an epic and a T4 token from the same fight.
I have sponsered runs with my guild in which since I was GM I was raid lead. Now, when we downed Curator, same thing happened, AND we had a Resto Shammy, Shammy needed the shoulder, so we gave them to him, rolled for the gloves and he won them as well, no problem, we all agreed to give them to him as it is a TIER piece, and reguardless of what you have gotten previously, unless you hgave wone like 4-5 items during the whole raid, then you get a chance to roll on a tier piece.
The pisser about it is the same guy who gave me the shoulders and screwed me out of the run was one of the people in this PUG were the Shammy won both... Maybe he didnt make the toon cooralation or something.
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As i said earlier, caldone got ~10g instead of an upgrade.
(because he has better healing shoulders i think)
(because he has better healing shoulders i think)
Yes, the Hallowed Shoulders are better, and socketed with 120+G in gems.
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I guess the thought never occured to me. I am happy when I get anything. I guess I am of the train of thought that if it dropped once, it will drop again. Is this the last time you do this run? Doubt it. Is this the last piece you will ever get? Doubt it. This gear first mentality is why there should be disclaimers on all chars. 1) I am here because I have fun playing a game, or 2) I am here for the loot, get out of my way cause I am a gear *****, and if I don't get my way I am leaving this group and ***** you good luck finishing.
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Posted: Oct 10 2007 at 6:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Smallsword and pretty much everyone else can **** off.
I would do the same thing, that dude scams people, if he waited he would do the same on the next boss, and that would be even more "tragic".
Caldone just didn't waited to see if he can be fooled twice, because there was not much he could do anyway.
Good Luck on Fool's Bane Caldone.
Caldone just didn't waited to see if he can be fooled twice, because there was not much he could do anyway.
Good Luck on Fool's Bane Caldone.
To the OoT regulars here: Can you say Azurea reborn?
Oh, and Slammer: I'll stop making fun of your **** when you stop being a thinskinned little cUnt.
OoT Meme wrote:
@#%^ you pieces of sh*t. Please, by all means, strip me of Scholar. Please, by all means, ban me. Obviously I'm not "one of you" even though I've been here and posting for awhile now. Obviously it doesn't matter. So please, by all means, shut the @#%^ up and do something about it.
Oh, and Slammer: I'll stop making fun of your **** when you stop being a thinskinned little cUnt.
Caldone the Shady wrote:
North... I will remember to post the DM meter ;) from tonight :)
Not that I want to make this a Caldone bash, but old argument is ollllllllld.
Damage meters are relative to your group. Compare your actual output to a WWS log of a similarly geared BM or Surv, and you'll get different results.
I'm not going to say MM sucks because it doesn't, but meters are worth **** for a spec argument.
that's not a bad idea. ya know you can just take your log and upload it to WWS to get the report.
Slammerofkooter wrote:
And to the fantastic 4 (caldone, north, smallsword, aethien)
Holy sh*t, I'm a super hero! I call dibs on the fire and flight powers. Human torch, FTW.
The Smallsword of Doom wrote:
Slammerofkooter wrote:
And to the fantastic 4 (caldone, north, smallsword, aethien)
Holy sh*t, I'm a super hero! I call dibs on the fire and flight powers. Human torch, FTW.
Eh, always liked the invisibility and nigh invulnerability anyway.
NorthAI the Hand wrote:
The Smallsword of Doom wrote:
Slammerofkooter wrote:
And to the fantastic 4 (caldone, north, smallsword, aethien)
Holy sh*t, I'm a super hero! I call dibs on the fire and flight powers. Human torch, FTW.
Eh, always liked the invisibility and nigh invulnerability anyway.
you just wanna be a chick. tell the truth.
Curious... none of you guys want to be the rubber guy that can make... apendages as LONG as they need to? Hell, I'm not a guy but I'd want that. =)
Raynebow wrote:
Curious... none of you guys want to be the rubber guy that can make... apendages as LONG as they need to? Hell, I'm not a guy but I'd want that. =)
FUcking rubber doesn't really sounds appealing to me. Sorry.
Ha! I guess it wouldn't unless your a lesbian.
**** the fantastic 4, they are crappy superheroes anyway.
I'll go for spiderman or batman, they have cool powers/tricks and cool enemies ^^
I'll go for spiderman or batman, they have cool powers/tricks and cool enemies ^^
Yeah, Caldone, that's totally BS about the Curator loot. It's your choice how you play your character. They should have posted the loots first, then called for rolls on the shoulders, and if you passed, then DE'd the damned thing.
Aethien wrote:
@#%^ the fantastic 4, they are crappy superheroes anyway.
I'll go for spiderman or batman, they have cool powers/tricks and cool enemies ^^
I'll go for spiderman or batman, they have cool powers/tricks and cool enemies ^^
Batman? DC sucks. X-men, now there's some heroes.
Lol, thats would be true, after all, I always imagined myself as Wolverine ;) cept smaller... and weaker... and not so nice looking :)
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