Gear complaintsFollow

I think your anger was justified as no one rolled for the shoulders and you got them handed to you, then a roll for something you actually needed was initiated, you were told to roll if you needed them-which you did- and then were told that your roll meant nothing.

As "fair" as that may have been, it was BS, they asked you to roll, you won the roll, end of discussion.

I agree they should have handled the situation and rolls better. A whisper to you before just giving the item you wanted to the other person would have avoided the whole problem. However I do think your response was extreme, assuming this was the first time this sort of thing happened. I'd have sent an e-mail to the guild leader explaining things from my perspective and asking for common courtesy of discussing these details in party chat before summarily giving items away. If this was merely the latest in a string of bungled communications, then I would have left in that situation also.

Edited, Oct 5th 2007 12:10pm by ItsaGaAs

I'm one for always taking the cool headed approach but I think this would have tweaked me sufficiently to do just as you did.

We tell you to upgrade your spec too but since when do you listen to us? :P

if you think gimping yourself specwise is uber, yeah your hunter is ;)



And i would probably have left the guild too, depends on how nice they have been before.
Although the first thing i would have done was leave the raid and ask what the hell it was about.

This wasn't my guild fortunatly, I was unguilded at the time, still pisses me off. Guild I am in now is one like mine, they don't force people to respec. YIPPY!

WHAT!!!

Listen, they both drop off Curator, the ML knew what had dropped, he didnt tell the party, he just gave me the shoulder then made the call on the gloves.



Yeah ok, whatever, you are making no ******* sence at all...

Whoa there Slammer... easy boy!

It's clear you don't agree with Caldone's leaving of the group over the incident. If that's the case just say so. No need for the flame or venom.

Caldone clearly was upset. I can't really blame him, and stuff done in the anger of the moment is rarely 'wise'.

People have VERY different approachs to things. The concept of honor has nearly been lost in almost all PUG's, Raid or otherwise. It's one of the primary reasons I stay away from PUG's and it costs me because I don't get as far along as I could if I advertised and did them. However, it saves me the frustration Caldone suffered.

It royally sucks to be 'given' something you don't need, and then with the same breath have something taken away from you that you did need because you were 'given' something else. Your argument that they at least made an attempt to 'placate' him seems valid on the surface but the logic gets screwy if you try to lay it out. Caldone is upset because he got victimized by the stupidity of the master looter. What would've made *ME* leave is that nobody else seems to have stuck up for me. Someone else should've said SOMETHING in my defense as I protested.

I have stayed with groups after having been ninja'd, sworn at, called all kinds of names (earned sometimes, but rarely) and even tried short manning stuff with groups that caused skilled people to leave. That is because MY personal sense of honor says when I agree to a group I stick with it. I don't ask, nor 'enforce' that honor on anyone else.

Caldone was ripped off, and by the time people hit 70, that's uncalled for and they should know better. He had every right to get angry and it was his call to leave. I wouldn't fault him for it. I probably might have made an exception to my rule in this case as I was never going to get anything more out of the instance save experience and some gold. You tend to be treated poorly if you protest a decision.

Now, you can stipulate what you'd have done in that situation, Slammer, but really, in this situation, a personal attack on him is unwarranted in my opinion. It solves nothing and since he's a fixture here and you're looking at under 60 posts, you might want to consider taking a more diplomatic approach to interraction here on the forums. That's just my 2 cents (worthless) advice, and it's up to you to do what you will with it.

Roll on all...

I think the whole basis of Slammerofkooter's argument is that you actually wanted and would eventually be using those shoulders. As you stated in your post, you didn't say "mind if I have those shoulders for my healing set?" They were given to you. Had you asked for the shoulders and then rolled on the gloves, that makes Slammer's argument solid. I could see the other people in the raids point of view, but I'm not sure they knew that you didn't even show an intrest in the aquisition of the shoulders.


This depends if there was another healer there (or GOD forbid, a huntard) who could of used those. If not, the item is pretty much useless to all but you, even then you were a D.P.S shaman so they weren't great use to you, and really should be taken out of the equation. The leader was probably thinking "Who would this item be the least useless with..." You were picked. Had you been tossing around the idea of going Resto and being a healer, and everyone knew and that was the reason the shoulders were given to you, then what they did would be fine.

If there was a person who could have used the shoulders, I would have told the raid that the shoulders were given to me, I didn't ask for them, nor did I show intrest. Since I have not seen more info on that subject, I'm going to assume you havn't been telling all your friends/guildmates your respeccing resto and been saying "I will respec on Tuesday the..." I would say your roll was a fair call.

The basics of my post? The leader had good intentions but should have told you that he was giving them to you, he should also have asked if you wanted them or not as well as announcing the drops to the group. As for your leaving the group, you left because you got angry over being denied a roll becasue you were given something you didn't want. You should have left with a clear conscience.

Yeh I think Caldone got screwed.

I kinda wish it were possible to refuse an item if the ML wanted to give it to you - like a window that pops up and says "The Master Looter wants to give you this item, do you accept , yes or no." Actually thats one on a loooong list of complaints I have about the loot system in general in WoW but I digress. No one should be forced to take and item they don't want then when winning a roll on something they do want be refused the item because they recieved the first unwanted item. Crappy. I know I'd be pissed - I wouldn't quit the group but the master looter would get an earful.

So, you'll act like a bratty ***** throwing a tantrum here but you'll lick the chocolate starfish of every guild leader and figure of authority in the game? You need to grow some balls in WoW and grow some diplomacy and respect here.


That's funny, cause you've assumed to know the thoughts behind that person's actions numerous times in your previous posts. Suddenly had a moment of clarity, did you?


SHAMAN. Shaman. And you also said "rouge" in an earlier post. How many times have you seen the class names by now?



You keep agreeing that the decisions they made were wrong. So shut up already. They're shonky bastards and you're a knob that just doesn't make sense. Maybe you should join their guild. I heard their GM loves people who kiss ***.


And we all think you should stop shaking your rattle and stick a pacifier in your mouth.

Smallsword, I love you :)

That being said no I am not gay <.< >.>

At least I know I wasn't alone in my opinion, I consider this matter closed ;)