http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Undermine&n=Yowza
I'm still trying to figure out a balance between hit/ap/stam...its a fine line
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I would for sure replace:
- metagem with Relentless (this is a PvE choice)
- star of elune with shifting nightseye
- all the gems that break your bonus on gloves and belt with either shifting nightseye for blue sockets (which will give you back the stamina you lost with the start of elune) or with glinting topaz if the socket was red.
You will need 2 blue for the Relentless to work anyhow.
The +16AP gems are a bit more complicated. They are the best gems for solo and 10man raids (not much buffing there), but will fall behind once you get buffed to 3000AP or so. I would not touch them now.
+hit gems are always a safe bet
And try to start using the DPS spreadsheet, it will tell you exactly what each gem is worth.
- metagem with Relentless (this is a PvE choice)
- star of elune with shifting nightseye
- all the gems that break your bonus on gloves and belt with either shifting nightseye for blue sockets (which will give you back the stamina you lost with the start of elune) or with glinting topaz if the socket was red.
You will need 2 blue for the Relentless to work anyhow.
The +16AP gems are a bit more complicated. They are the best gems for solo and 10man raids (not much buffing there), but will fall behind once you get buffed to 3000AP or so. I would not touch them now.
+hit gems are always a safe bet
And try to start using the DPS spreadsheet, it will tell you exactly what each gem is worth.
Thanks. I can't figure out the spreadsheet for some reason. I have all sorts of problems with it, maybe its my excel or something. I have macros enabled but still i cant get the spradsheet to do anything useful. I can compare items but thats about all I can do, sadly i'm missing out on a great program here
You're socketed really poorly. Use 8 Agi instead of 16 AP always, since you're past 1500 AP.
You might even want to consider socketing 4hit/4agi instead of 8 Agi, because your hit rating is pretty low.
You need to get up to 20% crit.
Other than that, your gear looks good. Don't listen to Wytryszek when he tells you to get the socket bonus on your gloves though, I tested it myself and the crit isn't worth more than having 16 hit in those two slots.
Try and get another piece of T4 asap though, that set bonus is a very large DPS boost.
You might even want to consider socketing 4hit/4agi instead of 8 Agi, because your hit rating is pretty low.
You need to get up to 20% crit.
Other than that, your gear looks good. Don't listen to Wytryszek when he tells you to get the socket bonus on your gloves though, I tested it myself and the crit isn't worth more than having 16 hit in those two slots.
Try and get another piece of T4 asap though, that set bonus is a very large DPS boost.
not sure why armory looks correct but the numbers are off...my stats are 1685ap,218 hit, 22% crit.
Can you tell me why socket agi over ap? This is for a purely PvE build, and even with 2/2 vitality it seams like the ap gives me a bigger benfit
Also how does 3 seconds on SnD improve my dps? i havent had any problems with having it not up
Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 6:30am by crazyhtown
Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 6:31am by crazyhtown
Can you tell me why socket agi over ap? This is for a purely PvE build, and even with 2/2 vitality it seams like the ap gives me a bigger benfit
Also how does 3 seconds on SnD improve my dps? i havent had any problems with having it not up
Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 6:30am by crazyhtown
Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 6:31am by crazyhtown
Theophany the Sly wrote:
Don't listen to Wytryszek when he tells you to get the socket bonus on your gloves though, I tested it myself and the crit isn't worth more than having 16 hit in those two slots.
Try and get another piece of T4 asap though, that set bonus is a very large DPS boost.
Try and get another piece of T4 asap though, that set bonus is a very large DPS boost.
You need the second blue gem to enable Relentless metagem, so it has to go somewhere, and the gloves look like a lesser evil. The belt though... I have not noticed it had 2 blue sockets. Now I understand why the doubts. I would have hard time deciding myself. 12 stamina or 5 agility - kind of an even match. I guess most would go for the DPS choice.
As for the agility vs AP - the more AP you have, the less it is worth adding more. The crit part of agility remains constant, or even grows a bit. So after a certain point the crit part wins. The problem is agreeing where that point is. (certainly fully raid buffed is beyond it)
Edit: Oh, and agility as a stat is getting buffed by King's and by Vitality, as opposed to pure AP/crit, which is not.
Also, 1 agility gives more than 1/2 crit rating - last time I checked it was something like 0.54 - so agility has a headstart against pure +crit rating gems.
All right, I am running out of arguments - too much reliance on the DPS spreadsheet I guess. Anybody else can add more?
Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 3:02pm by Wytryszek
crazyhtown wrote:
Also how does 3 seconds on SnD improve my dps? i havent had any problems with having it not up[/i]
It allows you to use a 1s/5r cycle with combat swords. This adds a decent amount of DPS comparable to a moderate gear upgrade in itself. When I broke my 2 piece bonus to upgrade to T5 gloves (from T4 obviously) I had no net DPS gain. The DPS from the set bonus alone made up the difference between the tier. However, it's much easier for me to pick up one of the two pieces of T4 that I'm missing rather than compete with people over T5.
1s/5r is the ****... it's definitely worth rocking 2 pieces as long as you can. It's also much easier to start out on dynamic bosses. Hell 60% of the time you get that 1 cp just from talents procing!
I'm still confused on why agi is better than ap. It seams 16ap is better than 8ap, there must be soemthing i dont get
Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 7:28pm by crazyhtown
Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 7:28pm by crazyhtown
crazyhtown wrote:
I'm still confused on why agi is better than ap. It seams 16ap is better than 8ap, there must be soemthing i dont get
Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 7:28pm by crazyhtown
Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 7:28pm by crazyhtown
It depends on what you are doing. If you are doing mostly solo and 5 man content (even 10 man stuff) 16ap will be ahead of or on par with 8agi for raw DPS. Once you hit the 25man raids and start getting things like full pally buffs and such agi pulls ahead (by a slight amount). It's not worth re-geming for. The difference is very small. You'll likely only notice it on a DPS spreadsheet and not really in practice. If you look at my armory profile you'll see that I have 1 ap gem in my pants and 2 agi gems. DPS spreadsheets predict I would gain like 1/2 DPS fully buffed (might/kings/shammy/warrior and other standard raid buffs) if I swapped it for 8agi. My buffed DPS is at ~1500. I would never notice that increase in practice - having 1 additional glancing blow during a raid boss would be easier to notice. Remember though, agi is crit and AP... not just AP...
Your current gem choice is perfectly fine for raiding. The only thing I would suggest is to either swap your meta gem, or get rid of the blue gems. In either case, you shouldn't be rocking 12stam gems for any raiding. At most you should be using the minimum amount of 4agi/6stam gems to activate a meta gem, or use them to pick up a gem set bonus when said bonus is equivalent to you using a full DPS gem (IE: if you need 1 blue gem to complete a bonus that gives you 4hit rating... than use 4agi/6stam... it's the equivalent of using 4hit/4agi and you get a free 6 stam - your pants are a perfect example of this!).
Edited, Oct 4th 2007 12:52am by LordMeridus
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