Should we be worried about 2.3 change to +healing?Follow

It shouldn't be too much of a problem. The real problem was healers were having problems soloing. That's what this is to alleviate. Hopefully it'll help prevent healer burnout and keep more of them around longer.

That, and there are fights that I hear if a healer gets targeted by a certain ability, it's almost a certain wipe as the person targeted is the only one who can attack a mob and it has to die in a short time.

Not that I can think of.

/rolleyes

Like you really need raid level gear to farm mobs for mana potions. I'd be pissed too.

Not for mana pots, for gold. Serious raiding priests will have 8+ stacks of pots and other consumables on them, and they sure as hell aren't cheap. You ever tried taking on level 70 mobs in a healing spec with the +400dmg gear you got while leveling? Sure, raid gear isn't required, but if all you have time for is raiding...

Yea, but then it's even more expensive, which is my point :P

EDIT: Grammar > me when I just woke up >.>

Edited, Oct 5th 2007 8:21am by lsfreak

Here's a question to ask...does it add to the "increases damage and healing by X" as well? If so, let's say an item has 30 +dmg/heal, you would actually get 40 +damage out of it.

Also, let's look at this from the perspective of my warrior. I have a friend who made a pally, and we're levelling together. All we do is instances, he'll get some +heal, int, and MP/5 (sometimes at the cost of armor, he's probably about an even amount of mail, leather, and cloth right now) while I'll stack pretty much everything else. So when we duo things, I'm capable of putting out a tremendously higher amount of damage, because I'm geared way better as a melee class, and all his focus is on increasing group survivability. Now, with the added changes, he can keep his +heal gear on and maybe equip a 2-hander when we're duoing those quests outside of dungeons.

I would assume a character thing.

What I was saying is that on items such as Aldor Ceremonial Wraps, which have +23 damage and healing, would you then get another 33% bonus to damage from the +healing? So instead of 23/23 heal/damage, it would be 23/31 heal/damage. So for leveling purposes, if you're playing a mage and you get one of those pieces of gear it would add an additional 8 damage than simply +23 damage would.

I'm still against the idea. Raid drops go to upgrade the raid for future raid encounters. Potions are just not part of that, heck if you can't find time to farm mana potions I'll just give you 20 myself. Thats something I'd talk to the raid leader about.

IMO its ok for tanks and healers to grab dps sets when the raid doesn't need the drops (generally 2 raids behind the progression raid), but that means getting the odd dps piece from kara while your guilds in SSC. Don't try to roll on an SSC piece for farming, that hurts your raids dps and its just plain unfair to the dps'ers. Any cloth healing gear goes to you, now you want our dps gear too?

My only caveat is that there are other options for farming gold than just straight up killing. Several Daily quests good for a couple hundred gold a week require nothing more than being able to fly around and drop bombs or play a simple memory game worth about 36g a day, iirc. I get bored farming, but doing those easily funds my weekly consumables. Takes me about an hour to do all 3 twice(I have a paladin and a mage). Additionally, I can use the Apexis shards that two of those quests net me to buy roughly 70 mana pots for my current level of raid progression. Or a combination of pots and flasks for such.

Additionally, there are options such as fishing, mining, and herbing which will net you quite a bit of gold an hour. There's a resto druid in my guild(one of my officers, to be more precise), who can solo farm about 100g an hour in mining. Ohmikeghod, a poster here, will tell you wonderful things about fishing. I used to have herbalism, but the guild needed a jewelcrafter. But I can still tell you I made about 50g an hour from it, but I'm easily distracted.

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So what? Up until now, healers were, too often, pidgeonholed not just into healing but also in the ways they have to make money. This change gives them a choice the DPS classes had, it also makes it more viable to actually level as healing specs. It's a big benefit to them, which means less healer burnout, which benefits just about everyone.

Further, this isn't just about dailies and farming, there's also a ton of solo quests at level 70 which healers may want to finish, ideally before dying of old age before a mob eventually drops dead.

I fail to see what there is to complain about for this change, except, perhaps, 2v2 arena. No holy / resto specced healer is going to take a DPSer spot in a raid in his healing gear, but they won't roll on DPS gear for farming anymore. Myself, I'll be able to drop about 5 pieces of gear I'm carrying around just for soloing. And as far as I'm concerned, if I ever hear anyone complaining about this change in one of my groups, that person better be damn good at bandaging.

I never said I had a problem with it. Addressing the one aspect that was being focused on.



I have a level 70 holy paladin. I instanced her a set of farming gear, with some shaman epics in the mix. I farm and solo quest just fine. You don't need to be in epic level gear to farm. And thanks to the daily quests, I can almost farm nekkid.

You heard me. Nekkid.




I'm not complaining. I'm arguing a counterpoint. Calm the **** down, mmkay?

No, you don't need epic gear. However, take your mage, replace half his gear with eagle/owl gear, and remove all your talents except for Imp Fireball/Frostbolt. Would you really want to try and kill something with that setup? That's how many raiding priests solo, especially those with significant lives outside the game and no time to run dungeons for gear.

Sounds like the kind of people daily quests are perfect for as far as farming goes.

Nothing like a quick 20-30 minute "wham, bam, gold and gone" bombing run + memory game farming session.



I'm all for the addition of some spell damage to healing gear. But how is that anything like what you're talking about? I choose not such mediocrity in my farming. If their real lives are such a priority that they can't take the time to run some regular instances for their healing gear and just happen to get some soloing gear, then this change is awesome for them.

But no one save themselves has pushed them into having to solo in crappy gear. You don't need raid gear to solo well. Sure, you may have to put a bit of work into getting what you need, but I managed to do that quite easily as a bonus to what I was really trying to accomplish, which was healing gear. The pieces I set out specifically to get for my soloing set were all from 5 man quests, which it was pretty easy to get groups for as a healer.

This change makes it much easier, obviously. But I still don't see why anyone would run around in eagle/owl gear. I mean seriously.


Edited, Oct 9th 2007 12:11am by Poldaran