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Just throwing this out there... i know the cookie cutter arena team usually involves a pally as a healer... i enjoy playing a priest, and was just wondering, should i just re-roll a pally to heal in arena? Im more interested in holy and pvp...more specifically arena. Is a pally more of an asset to a team then a priest? OR does a priest still have the better heals? It just sucks that priests can only wear cloth lol. Thanks for any feedback. :D
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Posted: Oct 02 2007 at 11:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) From a warriors point of view, I wish everyone in arenas I fought againest had a priest, there so squishy I just rape them.
I know the armor is a HUGE factor in pvp just becuase priests can only use cloth, but even with mass dispel, bubbles and strong single person heals, are we still not sufficient enough for arena teams?
Edited, Oct 2nd 2007 4:16pm by folkinator
Edited, Oct 2nd 2007 4:16pm by folkinator
I'll admit I'm not the best at pvp. As a holy priest, I find arena frustrating. I think with plate I'd do better.
In a pve environment, you can usually tell what a mob is going to do. You know the agro range. You can stay in the back and watch your threat.
In pvp it's "kill the priest". It doesn't matter how far away you are. Unlike pve, they come right at you.
In a pve environment, you can usually tell what a mob is going to do. You know the agro range. You can stay in the back and watch your threat.
In pvp it's "kill the priest". It doesn't matter how far away you are. Unlike pve, they come right at you.
priests are one of the two strongest arena healing classes, the other being druid.
why? because they dont need to CAST to heal. every heal a paladin does has a cast time (holy shock is crap), and every heal a shaman has (with the exception of NS every 3 minutes) has a cast time. this makes controlling a paladin or shaman via lockouts very easy.
a properly specced and geared arena priest is very difficult to take down. paladins are great single target healers, but are very vulnerable to CC. once they get out of that CC, all their heals are casted, leaving them open to interruption. a priest just needs a moment outside of CC in order to get off a prom or a renew, and flash heal heals for more than flash of light does while maintaining the same cast time.
paladins also have the weakness of cleanse, which only removes one magical debuff, while priest dispel removes two and can be used offensively as well (an often overlooked advantage).
still, the synergy of a paladin/priest healing duo is quite strong. the priest can keep the paladin from being CC'ed while the paladin can keep the priest alive with strong single target heals.
why? because they dont need to CAST to heal. every heal a paladin does has a cast time (holy shock is crap), and every heal a shaman has (with the exception of NS every 3 minutes) has a cast time. this makes controlling a paladin or shaman via lockouts very easy.
a properly specced and geared arena priest is very difficult to take down. paladins are great single target healers, but are very vulnerable to CC. once they get out of that CC, all their heals are casted, leaving them open to interruption. a priest just needs a moment outside of CC in order to get off a prom or a renew, and flash heal heals for more than flash of light does while maintaining the same cast time.
paladins also have the weakness of cleanse, which only removes one magical debuff, while priest dispel removes two and can be used offensively as well (an often overlooked advantage).
still, the synergy of a paladin/priest healing duo is quite strong. the priest can keep the paladin from being CC'ed while the paladin can keep the priest alive with strong single target heals.
Like everything in the arena it depends on so many factors that there is no flat out unequivocal answer to the question.
2v2 I'd rather see a priest on the other side than a Paladin. Though a well played PvP priest can be a hateful son of a ***** to kill. 5v5 prayer of mending ftw as well. Rotating fears with a lock can be killer too.
That being said there will be days as a Priest where you get ripped apart and you will find yourself wishing that you had Divine Shield and plate gear.
2v2 I'd rather see a priest on the other side than a Paladin. Though a well played PvP priest can be a hateful son of a ***** to kill. 5v5 prayer of mending ftw as well. Rotating fears with a lock can be killer too.
That being said there will be days as a Priest where you get ripped apart and you will find yourself wishing that you had Divine Shield and plate gear.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Pretty much every sentiment in this thread has a degree of truth. Paladins, with their heavy armor and the infamous bubble, are rock-solid healers that make opposing teams groan. Priests have more vulnerabilities, particularly to rogues, but have superior offensive potential.
Offensive dispeling is quite powerful, especially as it can nab both offensive and defensive spells. Blessings, damage shields, buffs, HoTs, all of it is fodder for dispels. Do you know how stupid a three-minute mage looks when you dispel his AP? On rare occassions (against people who don't use macros well) you can even get PoM and Nature's Swiftness, and that just drives people nuts.
Additionally, priests have Mana Burn. If allowed to cast this unmolested, Mana Burn is unbelievably damaging to an arena team.
All of that said, priests are squishy. Really squishy. We rely very heavily on our instant-casts to survive, and if those aren't enough, a whole world of abuse can be turned on us. We have no inherent class protection against snares and (particularly) poisons. And few classes die faster to focused fire. Priests are PvP tanks, and have similar gear requirements (heavy stacking of stamina and resilience).
Paladins will always have the bubble (unless a clever priest mass-dispels or it he lets it get locked out), which can get them out of some really bad jams. They have an additional anti-physical bubble that can drive some teams nuts. The huge armor differential alone is a big plus, in addition to built-in protection against snares (Blessing of Freedom) and poisons (Cleanse). Their offensive potential is quite limited, however, and they have no inherent mana regeneration abilities. When a paladin's mana is gone, it's _gone_.
I enjoy my priest in arenas. If you enjoy your priest, I think it would be senseless to re-roll just for arena. Arena-ing as a healbot priest is a hard path to follow, but it's quite rewarding.
Offensive dispeling is quite powerful, especially as it can nab both offensive and defensive spells. Blessings, damage shields, buffs, HoTs, all of it is fodder for dispels. Do you know how stupid a three-minute mage looks when you dispel his AP? On rare occassions (against people who don't use macros well) you can even get PoM and Nature's Swiftness, and that just drives people nuts.
Additionally, priests have Mana Burn. If allowed to cast this unmolested, Mana Burn is unbelievably damaging to an arena team.
All of that said, priests are squishy. Really squishy. We rely very heavily on our instant-casts to survive, and if those aren't enough, a whole world of abuse can be turned on us. We have no inherent class protection against snares and (particularly) poisons. And few classes die faster to focused fire. Priests are PvP tanks, and have similar gear requirements (heavy stacking of stamina and resilience).
Paladins will always have the bubble (unless a clever priest mass-dispels or it he lets it get locked out), which can get them out of some really bad jams. They have an additional anti-physical bubble that can drive some teams nuts. The huge armor differential alone is a big plus, in addition to built-in protection against snares (Blessing of Freedom) and poisons (Cleanse). Their offensive potential is quite limited, however, and they have no inherent mana regeneration abilities. When a paladin's mana is gone, it's _gone_.
I enjoy my priest in arenas. If you enjoy your priest, I think it would be senseless to re-roll just for arena. Arena-ing as a healbot priest is a hard path to follow, but it's quite rewarding.
Thanks so much for all the feedback! Im really excited now to be a priest in arena... I unerstand the ups and downs of being a priest and im not gonna reroll a pally any time soon :D but thanks again
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Can only say I agree with Quor. Not sure why everyone here are so afraid of palas. I am shadow at the moment, partnered with UA lock. What kills us everytime are holy priests / druid healers. Particularly the druids (if they're good) are close to impossible to kill, would need to get a few lucky crits and stuns to get them. Priests...they just don't die, and as said - druid and priests has so instant heals (and shield for priest). I tried out Disc/holy spec, I was running around with 500+ healing (lol) and in my shadoweave set. We managed to get up to 1800ish in arena, which isn't to bad I think, with my gear / heal skills.
Hmm, that was a big nasty post, to summon it up. Good holy priests are nasty to meet in arena, same goes for druids. Speaking for my self at least, I am a lot more afraid of holy priests than holy paladins:)
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Hmm, that was a big nasty post, to summon it up. Good holy priests are nasty to meet in arena, same goes for druids. Speaking for my self at least, I am a lot more afraid of holy priests than holy paladins:)
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The next expansion will see priests wearing plate. Don't switch yet!
Inner Fire alone gives as much armor as leather, and with Merciless gear, we're sitting about equal with mail iirc. A 28/33 has a near-constant crit immunity and passive healing when he gets crit. PoM is upwards of 5000+ healing off an instant-cast if the other team is split between multiple targets. Stunlocking priests just doesn't work. They can heal themselves and another person at the same time. They have both offensive and defensive dispel, along with an extremely powerful aoe dispel.
The pally's two big assets are the bubble, the mana efficiency for single-target, and Concentration Aura if you've got a lot of casters. A priest will negate the bubble almost immediately, and the aura isn't a game-breaking kind of thing.
In a single-healer situation, I'd *always* rather be facing a pally than a priest in 5v5, and while I'd rather not have a pally in a multiple-healing situation, I'd rather have a pally than a priest.
The pally's two big assets are the bubble, the mana efficiency for single-target, and Concentration Aura if you've got a lot of casters. A priest will negate the bubble almost immediately, and the aura isn't a game-breaking kind of thing.
In a single-healer situation, I'd *always* rather be facing a pally than a priest in 5v5, and while I'd rather not have a pally in a multiple-healing situation, I'd rather have a pally than a priest.
My team is a holy priest and mage. At first we thought pallys were to be feared, but we like to see them now. We sheep/fear the other person and go after the pally. Plate doesn't help much against spell damage and pallys die quickly and easily in spite of their bubble.
Yes, when we first started I thought "Man, I wish I was a pally!" but now I say "Man, I hope the next team has a pally!"
Yes, when we first started I thought "Man, I wish I was a pally!" but now I say "Man, I hope the next team has a pally!"
a priest is nice to have on your side with a pally on the other side so you can gang on that pally and break his bubble!
While's Quor's response is not necessarily a bad one, it's a little to blindly pro-Priest and anti-Paladin for my tastes.
Where I do agree with him is that Priests are by no means useless for the arena or in any way made obsolete by Paladins or Druids. Well-played, they can be, as Bodh so eloquently put it, "hateful sons of ******* to kill".
Look at it this way: the three most common offensive classes in the arena are Warriors, Rogues, and Warlocks. With proper support, Rogues and Warriors will chew through a Priest at an unprecedented rate. Paladins, by comparison, with their plate armor and shields on, while healing themselves (cast time or not), are so resistant to physical assault that most of the time it's preferable to just keep them controlled and dispatch their partners rather than try for the standard burn-the-healer-down-first-ASAP.
Does that make them better? Not necessarily. As Quor pointed out, they are susceptible to control and interruption. Whether the Priest on a team dies first or a Paladin's partner dies leaving him alone, a loss still goes in the column as a loss. And their armor doesn't do jack dandy against casters. If you ever want to see a Paladin die as fast as a Priest does to a Warrior, just watch it try to fend off a Frost Mage.
Forgive me, I'm getting sidetracked...
The point is that Paladins are not inherently superior to Priests. Just like any fight, it depends on the class matrixes. And as it is now, it just so happens that in any given arena match you've got a pretty solid chance of seeing either a Rogue or a Warrior standing across from you, so... that's just bad news for the Priest, and it can understandably give the impression that Paladins are superior.
Where I do agree with him is that Priests are by no means useless for the arena or in any way made obsolete by Paladins or Druids. Well-played, they can be, as Bodh so eloquently put it, "hateful sons of ******* to kill".
Look at it this way: the three most common offensive classes in the arena are Warriors, Rogues, and Warlocks. With proper support, Rogues and Warriors will chew through a Priest at an unprecedented rate. Paladins, by comparison, with their plate armor and shields on, while healing themselves (cast time or not), are so resistant to physical assault that most of the time it's preferable to just keep them controlled and dispatch their partners rather than try for the standard burn-the-healer-down-first-ASAP.
Does that make them better? Not necessarily. As Quor pointed out, they are susceptible to control and interruption. Whether the Priest on a team dies first or a Paladin's partner dies leaving him alone, a loss still goes in the column as a loss. And their armor doesn't do jack dandy against casters. If you ever want to see a Paladin die as fast as a Priest does to a Warrior, just watch it try to fend off a Frost Mage.
Forgive me, I'm getting sidetracked...
The point is that Paladins are not inherently superior to Priests. Just like any fight, it depends on the class matrixes. And as it is now, it just so happens that in any given arena match you've got a pretty solid chance of seeing either a Rogue or a Warrior standing across from you, so... that's just bad news for the Priest, and it can understandably give the impression that Paladins are superior.
yes i like paladins better.
Playing in a lock + pallie duo, I can tell you right now that the three absolutely toughest combinations for us to beat are priest + pallie, priest + warrior and priest + lock.
It's all a matter of set-up and team skills. As my own research has shown, at least in EU Battlegroups, priests are among the top three classes in representation in any BG's top 100 teams, and this is consistent across all brackets.
It's all a matter of set-up and team skills. As my own research has shown, at least in EU Battlegroups, priests are among the top three classes in representation in any BG's top 100 teams, and this is consistent across all brackets.
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