Hunters are way overpowered if sprint is on cooldown and they catch you out of stealth. I'm not high enough to have deadly throw and there was no way i could have ever ran away or get close enough to hit them.
Edit: more of a frustrated as **** rant from me. I'm really disgusted at how helpless i was.
Edited, Oct 1st 2007 3:32am by SoiFon
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same with frost mages if you arent 70
rogues are (at low levels mainly) reliant on stealth, without it were basically dual wielding OOM ret paladins
being caught out of stealth is a huge loss, its like fighting a mage without blink or frost nova, or a warrior in his cloth 'funsies' set
dont worry bout it if you die because of that, just try to stealth if you see them around, be a real rogue and dont get seen in the first place ;)
rogues are (at low levels mainly) reliant on stealth, without it were basically dual wielding OOM ret paladins
being caught out of stealth is a huge loss, its like fighting a mage without blink or frost nova, or a warrior in his cloth 'funsies' set
dont worry bout it if you die because of that, just try to stealth if you see them around, be a real rogue and dont get seen in the first place ;)
Blind works, right?
Whenever someone ganked me while I was leveling, I would res and return the favor, repeatedly, until I couldn't find them anymore. Then again, if they were too high of a lvl, or too many, I just went and watched tv for a bit and came back. Now, if I got my *** handed to me after I got the jump on them, well, time for me to find a new spot, they earned it.
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i know how you feel. i still hate the fact that the pet can attack you outta stealth =\ oh well, could be worse i suppose.
i irritate the hell out of hunters (gnome rogue) wing clip + escape artist ftw!
i irritate the hell out of hunters (gnome rogue) wing clip + escape artist ftw!
what i read in this forum and doing exactly that in arena's is running out of line of sight then stealthing again. Don't get kited, get distance, out of combat and stealth. Keep the initiative, you need it to win. It took me 20 minutes in a one on one in arena. We killed his pet, my partner died as i killed his partner. He was almost entirely out of mana but still icetrapping me for what it seemed every 5 seconds (how in fudge names is that on such a short CD ??? :S)
So i switched tables on him, ran out of line of sight, stealthed. He panicked, sent up a couple of flares. I ran into the starting area and bandaged then stealthed again, waited for my cooldowns to wear of then after a long drawn out icetrap battle kicked his ***. All the getting out of line of sight is also handy while killing his pet. If he doesn't recall his pet on time, you kill it and only face him.
Alternatively you can use vanish, have the pet chase you after vanish and still die with yet another skill on cooldown.
So i switched tables on him, ran out of line of sight, stealthed. He panicked, sent up a couple of flares. I ran into the starting area and bandaged then stealthed again, waited for my cooldowns to wear of then after a long drawn out icetrap battle kicked his ***. All the getting out of line of sight is also handy while killing his pet. If he doesn't recall his pet on time, you kill it and only face him.
Alternatively you can use vanish, have the pet chase you after vanish and still die with yet another skill on cooldown.
It isn't hunters that are overpowered. It's just too easy to kite rogues.
I played BGs with a friend's twink lvl 29 rogue against some really challenging opponents this weekend and got kited quite bit.
There isn't much you can do if your cooldowns are all gone, but so long as you aren't talking about arena, you can get some nifty things to help you.
For example, you can use nets, bombs with stuns, insignia trinkets, free action potions and speed potions. Any combination of those(especially free action + trinket) will give you enough time to get away and stealthed, or get up close to kill him.
As a counter to the hunter being overpowered argument; if you're in stealth and specced right, you can destroy a hunter that doesn't see you coming. I killed 2 lvl 29 hunters this weekend by doing ambush + SS + normal hits + vanish + ambush + SS + normal hits.
Now who's overpowered?
I played BGs with a friend's twink lvl 29 rogue against some really challenging opponents this weekend and got kited quite bit.
There isn't much you can do if your cooldowns are all gone, but so long as you aren't talking about arena, you can get some nifty things to help you.
For example, you can use nets, bombs with stuns, insignia trinkets, free action potions and speed potions. Any combination of those(especially free action + trinket) will give you enough time to get away and stealthed, or get up close to kill him.
As a counter to the hunter being overpowered argument; if you're in stealth and specced right, you can destroy a hunter that doesn't see you coming. I killed 2 lvl 29 hunters this weekend by doing ambush + SS + normal hits + vanish + ambush + SS + normal hits.
Now who's overpowered?
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Blind works, right?
short range, so depends on how your kited.. max range conc shot/scatter shot/intimidation and all that, not for a while at best
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For example, you can use nets, bombs with stuns, insignia trinkets, free action potions and speed potions. Any combination of those(especially free action + trinket) will give you enough time to get away and stealthed, or get up close to kill him.
if you do any and ALL of these, and they use aspect of cheetah, you cant catch them without sprint, and theyll wait out your duration (what if i throw though?? good hunter would swap aspects when he sees it in midair, its slow enough to react like that)
so your still kited.... just differently
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As a counter to the hunter being overpowered argument; if you're in stealth and specced right, you can destroy a hunter that doesn't see you coming. I killed 2 lvl 29 hunters this weekend by doing ambush + SS + normal hits + vanish + ambush + SS + normal hits.
considering thats in a bg, he 'didnt see you coming', and your specced ambush, yes your stealth is good
kill the first guy and proceed to kill 3 more please without re-entering stealth, then well talk whos overpowered; killing someone specced ambush before level 57 is not hard at all, especially if they are caught off guard
Hunters are a bit of a strange class. The vast majority of them are completely an utterly retarded. There are good ones though, and they rape.
One of our issues with hunters is their ability to deal damage at rage with a (sort of) automatic tank. This is our worst nightmare.
One of our issues with hunters is their ability to deal damage at rage with a (sort of) automatic tank. This is our worst nightmare.
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(what if i throw though?? good hunter would swap aspects when he sees it in midair, its slow enough to react like that)
Perhaps the extra speed of DT will help that. Of course we lose the Ruth. procs so...we'll see.
And it's not till after 57 that the Ambush goes from bg ownmage to eh...not so much. Once you're doing any serious PvP at 70...its just lol bad.
As an aside:
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Current: 30/31/0 SF fists (34.6 crit ******* <3)
mongoose you know you wanna put those extra 11 in Assassin. and go muti.
Come on...you know you want to :D
no, i dont lol
34.6 crit > your life :D
34.6 crit > your life :D
A druid friend and I went up against 2 BM spec'd hunters in Arena last week. It was ugly to say the least.
I'm sorry, 18 seconds of cc immunity is way OP. Also, I noticed that the flare debuff stays on you even when you are out of the flare range. Has it always been that way, or was that a recent change?
I'm sorry, 18 seconds of cc immunity is way OP. Also, I noticed that the flare debuff stays on you even when you are out of the flare range. Has it always been that way, or was that a recent change?
Nice to see i'm not the only one to have something like this happen. Blind would have never reached them btw.
if your fighting twin bm, pop evasion, pop slice n dice, pop ar, and kill one of em!
evasion saves you kind of, the druid and travel form and run around, or tank in a rejuvved bear mode
and bm hunters tend to ignore cc to pump out dps.... without worrying bout stuns you can lay in some evis/rupture damage and just melt one away (just be ready to trinket a freeze trap, or sprint a frost one)
evasion saves you kind of, the druid and travel form and run around, or tank in a rejuvved bear mode
and bm hunters tend to ignore cc to pump out dps.... without worrying bout stuns you can lay in some evis/rupture damage and just melt one away (just be ready to trinket a freeze trap, or sprint a frost one)
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A druid friend and I went up against 2 BM spec'd hunters in Arena last week. It was ugly to say the least.
I'm sorry, 18 seconds of cc immunity is way OP. Also, I noticed that the flare debuff stays on you even when you are out of the flare range. Has it always been that way, or was that a recent change?
I'm sorry, 18 seconds of cc immunity is way OP. Also, I noticed that the flare debuff stays on you even when you are out of the flare range. Has it always been that way, or was that a recent change?
Ugh, you really shouldn't lose to BM Hunters.
Pre-Cyclone nerf especially, but even post you shouldn't. They don't have scatter shot, and if they're smart they won't have Entrapment or Imp Wing Clip. Hit CloS and Sprint-Vanish away. Your druid should be fine, and if he's not, he's awful.
TBH Hunters are ezmode.
I beat a BM hunter in a duel so bad the other night that he just logged off right after the duel. He did a total of 400 damage to me, I think.
I don't really judge pvp skill on a duel. You're limited with space and a good hunter will just keep you too far away.
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Ugh, you really shouldn't lose to BM Hunters.
Pre-Cyclone nerf especially, but even post you shouldn't. They don't have scatter shot, and if they're smart they won't have Entrapment or Imp Wing Clip. Hit CloS and Sprint-Vanish away. Your druid should be fine, and if he's not, he's awful.
Pre-Cyclone nerf especially, but even post you shouldn't. They don't have scatter shot, and if they're smart they won't have Entrapment or Imp Wing Clip. Hit CloS and Sprint-Vanish away. Your druid should be fine, and if he's not, he's awful.
Well that's exactly what I did......and that's why I asked the question about flare. Am I remembering flare's attributes incorrectly? Seems to me that in the past I could get out of the flare zone and simply vanish. But when we were up against those hunters the flare debuff stayed on me a long-assed time. When I vanished I came right back out again, even though it seemed like I was across the arena.
Or are you trying to tell me that CoS knocks off the flare debuff?
Clos through the traps, Clos doesn't ignore Flare.
As for the flare thing, yea, if you trip it, it will stay on you a good 2-5 seconds after you are outside it's range.
It takes a lot of willpower to get flared then yell "oh sh*t" and not hit vanish immediately.
Edited, Oct 1st 2007 2:28pm by MYteddy
As for the flare thing, yea, if you trip it, it will stay on you a good 2-5 seconds after you are outside it's range.
It takes a lot of willpower to get flared then yell "oh sh*t" and not hit vanish immediately.
Edited, Oct 1st 2007 2:28pm by MYteddy
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It takes a lot of willpower to get flared then yell "oh sh*t" and not hit vanish immediately.
As I learned the hard way...
Secret is to not freak out and blow your **** early.
The only thing that is OP about hunters is that if they spam "attack" on you with their pet, they'll be able to always stay on you even if you vanish.
And for BM hunters, you just hide whilst BM is going (cloak vanish and sprint the hell away from the flare). A BM hunter without TBW is dead.
The only thing that is OP about hunters is that if they spam "attack" on you with their pet, they'll be able to always stay on you even if you vanish.
And for BM hunters, you just hide whilst BM is going (cloak vanish and sprint the hell away from the flare). A BM hunter without TBW is dead.
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