shamanistic rage or nature's swiftness?Follow

Hey,
For the past few months I've been an enhancement shaman, and now that I've reached level 53, I was wondering if I should choose nature's swiftness or shamanistic rage. I've used shamanistic rage, and it's really great, because once you activate it, the mana never ends. But I wonder if it's really that useful in pvp. What about nature's swiftness? Is it worth it?
I'm an enhancement shammy, with 3k of hp and mana
Thanks

Edited, Sep 30th 2007 3:21pm by tmafcerqueira

SR is far better of a choice than NS post patch 2.3 cuz even with the spell dmg bonus's from AP you will still be better off getting SR due to the reduction which over 10k hp is over 3k dmg taken off if you have it going the whole time, and due to the fact that if you don't heal in arena your straight up retarded it will get alot more than 3k dmg taken off of you :D

that and the mana regen makes it a far better choice

I'm going to choose NS, because I've been discussing this issue with another friend of mine, and he agrees with me that NS is a better choice because when he fights shammys their problem is that they can't heal themselves in time to save their asses. I don't know if my mana pool will be enough but I'll soon find out.

I dont personally agree with the old maxim that NS is impossible to live without.... yes it's a free big heal but in recent months even getting the time to cast an instant heal is rare.

Once 2.3 comes out, month or two, Shamanistic Rage will be *extremely* good. 30% mitigation for 30 seconds is basically the best damage-reducer around (except Divine Shield of course) and will actually make it possible to regen the mana you need without getting torn apart by mobs.

NS is a PvP talent to be frank, and these days not such a great one at that. Long live SR.

~sins

Well think about it this way if you get a NS, u get a quick heal that is about 1/3 of your life without critic. So if it critic u getting more than half your life back.

However, if you take SR you will get 30% damage reduction which is less the NS bonus. Now the mana bonus doesn't really come into consideration since i don't think u will possibly get a chance to heal or enough time to cast enough shocks that u would run out of mana. In best case you will cast 3 shocks that's if you used frost shock and decided to turtle while your fire totem does some damage and your healing totem gives u few more HP, but still that's not gonna use all your mana pool.

So NS seems best for pvp.

Alright, my 53 Enh Shammy is my main, and I am by no means an expert in PVP, but I've played a lot of MMOs and in general, taking less damage to begin with is ALWAYS better in a quick PVP fight than being able to regenerate your health more quickly.

First off, consider that you have to make 2 key presses in order to effectively use NS. Only one for SR. That's lost time, as small as it may be. Secondly, consider that if the enemy uses any kind of CC or silence on you, you can't make the cast. So, you may see your health plummeting, and go to heal yourself with a NS + Healing Wave, only to find that you've stunned with very little health remaining. The following blow from the enemy may well do you in.

But considering that SR is active for a whole 30 seconds and thus easily activated at the beginning of the fight, if you get hit by a silence or stun effect, you're still reducing damage coming to you. This gives you the opportunity to make a recovery after the effect wears off.

So that's how I see it. If this was EVE (a game I played for 3 years) I could spit all sorts of mathematical proof and reasoning at you for a nearly identical situation, but given that this is WoW, I'll simply give you my judgement based upon what I've learned in many MMOs.

When time is a factor, Damage Mitigation > Damage Recovery.



EDIT- To the signature above... I have a friend who has a Warlock in game with a Felguard with that same name. Poor fellah.

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 7:05pm by Elecktrofreak

You are correct, but keep in mind NS is also a buff, sure there is a much smaller time frame but it CAN also be dispelled/purged.

That is true, but getting my NS purged only happened once when I was not using any macros & had to hit 2 buttons. But hey, to each his own.

Could you cast an instant astral recall with nature's swiftness?

Haha, its true! I find I use it on myself more than anyone else, occasionally that crazy mage sucks up so much aggro I have too, but thats really about all.

If your gonna PVP, I would go for NS just because your contantly in that OH CRAP moment, and no shaman's do not have any really good ways to heal ourselves.