2.3 Warrior ChangesFollow

Taken from Curse's compilation.

Devastate - Now applies the Sunder Armor debuff per use, unknown if the threat has been modified to make it equal to Sunder Armor at lower stack levels. Would allow for less button-switching while tanking at the very least. Devastate now also effected by talents/abilities that modify Sunder (i.e. Imp. Sunder, so 9 Rage Devastates ftw).

TM - Adding a passive effect to TM that will 'greatly boost' the threat generation of Bloodthirst/Mortal Strike while in Defensive Stance.

Mortal Strike - Will now effect Drain-style effects. Read: Mortal Strike now reduces Drain Life from Warlocks. Bloody finally.

Mace Spec - Nerfed the chance, but the Rage proc bumped to 7 Rage. As it is currently 1.75 PPM (re: Tseric), if it maintains the same amount of overall Rage generation as it currently maintains at 6 Rage per proc this would move it to 1.5 PPM. With a 3.8 speed weapon this amounts to a 9.5% chance to proc per swing, as opposed to the current 11% chance to proc. It's a nerf, but it's not an immense one. (Note: It's possible that they did not maintain parity for the rage generation, in which case all bets are off).

Strange about the mace notes, I looked through the patch notes about 10 times over, but did not notice anything about it yesterday.

with that tiny bit of a nerf I guess my quest to get myself a deep thunder continues :)

Oh duh, I'm being a freaking idiot today...

Anything on diminishing returns about it?

posts like these give me further reassurance that orcs are the best ever ;)

and why do you need DR on locks fear? you have zerker rage and i'd hope if you pvp, death wish ;)

Pigeon, is DR on rogues stuns. The problem you're facing, is that when you trinket out of one (also, you should only ever trinket out of a KS, never the CS), the game treats it as if the stun never happened, and it's not included into the DRs. Same thing with fear.

Weapon Mastery...reduces Disarm affect. Kinda sucks for pvp warriors imho. Looks like Steel Chains should be selling like hot cakes again. Anyone else see this as a nerf ? I don't think that I'm the only one. Go Blizz !!!

D'oh. I completely forgot about that. Worst part is the fact that my main is a rogue. >.< Each of the DR's only effects itself. :/

Also, I can't seem to see anything from that link (unless it's in a link from that link o.O) that says weapon mastery is getting nerfed, aside from what's in the reply-comments. If I'm on crack and it is in there, could someone point it out to me?

Edited, Sep 27th 2007 1:45am by Taeraq

Dangit, I hate links within links. :P Makes me think of a paradox within a paradox - and no one wants to think about that...

And that just makes me sad. I quite enjoyed having a talent that makes me immune to disarm. :(

I think that the reason they did that is to bring it inline with the talent changes to caster classes that used to make them less likely to be silenced. They changed all of those to be a reduction in how long you're silence, and they prob'ly figured they should be consistent ('cause Blizzard so likes doing that *rolls eyes*).

Still think it sucks ... if a class (whoever) wants to spend 2 or 3 valuable talent points specifically for not to be disarmed or silenced (points that could quite easily be used elsewhere), then I believe they should be allowed to do that.

The argument is that with this talent, people no longer attempt to disarm, and they want to have disarming a player being more viable. (which I hear is poppycock, non-disarm immune players get disarmed all the time). The point is that now people will go and get a weapon chain and STILL be disarm-immune.

The ultimate end effect is that I will lose my Savagery enchant, which means less AP. I can either leave it there, or change all my sockets to +str gems instead of +sta gems .. which means I lose HP.

Bottom line is that this will NOT stop people being disarm immune, it'll just gimp some other stat.

ok, rant over ... which classes can disarm you ... rogues and warriors I know about, who else?

yeah, the disarm change is going to suck. everytime a combat rogue parries a pets attack, we'll be disarmed for 3-6 seconds.

at least the TM change is kinda neat. this is the kind of innovation that makes me love blizzard. not that it was terribly needed, but if it means i can tank prince w/o respeccing to prot then hey, ill take it.

Hmph, seems that Blizzard is trying to force the issue that as a warrior, my role is a tank and only a tank ... something which I disagree with whole-heartedly, but I won't get into all my reasons for saying that - it's a list far longer than most of you have seen ;-).

It just seems that if there's a buff, it's to the prot tree, if there's a nerf, it's to the DPS trees. Even more specifically, the nerfs are more and more geared towards making warriors as ineffectual as possible in a PvP environment.

One day, it's going to work, where we will (as players) be unable to adapt to make warriors any good in PvP. That's when Blizzard will wake up and give us a fat boost, incur the wrath of all other classes, and nerf us all the way back down again !!

I've just checked, Warriors can disarm you for 10 seconds (which means 5 secs with WM 2/2) and rogues can disarm you for 6 seconds (3 secs with 2/2 WM). I guess I'll have to live with it, I seriously don't fancy ditching 70 ap ... not with the lack of AP present to a large degree on PvP gear (in deference to sta, crit and res)!

Edited, Sep 27th 2007 6:38am by robertlofthouse

Shadow priests did get a nerf as well. Their DoTs and Mind Flay are now affected by resilience. It's gonna be a little tougher to cut through their shield, but the nerf to their DoTs is nice.

The WM change kinda sucks, but we can still work around it. Yes we're gonna have to use a weapon chain instead of savagery, but it's still doable.