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I used a 70 Demo Lock for a few good hours at friends house. That is when all you Demo guys say it "really shines" right? Actually when I let him play my lock afterwards he switched to Affliction as well. I seem to have this effect on people.

TBH I see no point in having a discussion with people who would use VW if they didn't have a Felguard. It's not that they're dumb or don't understand the game... they just simply WANT to rely on a pet. Fine by me, I don't want to, nor did I ever need to. The bulk of my message was intended for pcote, since he asked the question and I feel where he's coming from.

It takes unbiased female mind to come to such conclusion.... /bow



Oh I see - big undependable male that despise relying on someone arent you?
I guess you never rely on your parents or coworkers, you probably hate the idea of having well trained dog to protect your home yard.
Its not that you are dumb or do not understand but life will teach you that relying on someone or something even in some game can be the only way to survive.
And you will definitely need to at some point, trust me on that.

who ever said it sucked before getting demonic frenzy? for starters in pvp the damage increase due to it isn't much more than 100-200 damage and all the good players use the felnub for 3 completely different reasons anyways.
1. soul-link
2. master demo
3. his intercept stun being the longest lasting stun available to us

oh and pompa. i HAVE tried it all, there isn't a single viable warlock spec i haven't played and tested to a good degree, I thought you lot had learnt that arguing against the big daddy warlock was usless as he always ends up proving you all wrong

:P

if you're not including 5mans or raiding then yeah I've never read a post about that and seeing as this post is all about getting felguard basically at the first moment you can then I'd have to say that demonic frenzy wouldn't be to much of a worry, especially once you take into account low low the felnubs att power would be at that level (and tbh how low it is until you hit 70 and get decent +damage)
and the "i have tried it all" is in referance to everything warlock related, yes I've never been to hyal or BT but that's not specifically warlock related :P as I've said I've tried all specs, heck if you include PTRs I've tried all the gear


POST EDIT
I'm actually unguilded right now just to let you know. "the dominion" is/was just a name tag basically. I joined it 'cos a few mates asked me just 'cos they didn't like seeing me without a guild tag. when it comes to guilds I'm applying to try checking out "touch me", "stature of the gods", "defenders of valor", "the gnometrotters", "midnight reveries".


Edited, Sep 28th 2007 12:14pm by Jenovaomega

What?!?!

First to knock you down a peg, I believe you mean independant (undependable would imply that I am not relyable.)

Not to get philosophical but actually your 'sarcastic' quote is VERY VERY true. If you practice statistics or math at all, you'll know that the least degree of error occurs with the fewest amount of variables and the fewest reliant inputs are equated.

To be frank. Sometimes you do have to rely on others. As a general rule, the more you rely on others the more you will be let down (the bigger the degree of error).

I am a male (good call) and I don't rely on my parents, co-workers (in fact I just had a talk to my boss about working alone more often), guidance couselors, psycologists, or anyone else I don't care to trust for no reason. A lot less ridiculously instable inputs in my life is more stability for me.

While on some level you can definatly relate this to my playstyle, the real jist of it is that I play by numbers, and relying on a pet just isn't numerically sound. Just to go back a bit, too...


If you ran out of Mana before you're Fel you're playing incorrectly. Your spec is not designed to fight this many monsters and so your pull was either experimental or accidental - either case it is not efficient. This is contrary to Affliction which thrives on killing at least 3 monsters at a time with a tactic that makes the enemies attack power irrelivant.

My Fliction has grinded through parts where 6 monsters were engaged at any given tiem over the course of approximatedly 12 minutes (about 70 monsters killed w/o break never becoming unengaged in battle). See how long you can do that with a Felguard.

In the end, ya'll are fighting with me a battle I never meant to engage in. If you like using your pet then go Demonology -- it's blatantly obvious and simple. My point to Pcote was initially that he said he DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE with the move (being pet dependant) but thought it might be a better or the only route. It isn't. That was my only point throughout this Message board.

BTW I'm sick of people bashing Fliction when they don't even know how to play it, and then calling me out on not playing enough Demo. I know how to play Demo, and even though you can say Fliction is "ez mode" I assure you that if you play Fliction right you will never stop hitting your hotbuttons if you are seriously into your grind, the same cannot be said about Demo (and yes I had a pro demo player show me how he played right infront of me...)

They are different and excell at different things... both can make it to 70. Get over it.


Side note.



This sounds like you've never played both sides of the fence. It doesn't take a smart Demo to kill a Fliction, it doesn't even take a good one. Demo specializes in 1v1 and there is VERY low chances a Fliction lock will kill a Demo before he will be killed (maybe after, who knows.) Banish doesn't work well against an equal level Demo lock because of the Master Demonolgist skill in addition to the Felguard's naturally high resistances.

You may knock me down on anything you want, English is my second language (maybe even third) so I may be entitled to make some mistakes sometimes.




I am just as well sick of people bashing demo you know - and its mostly affliction people that think they are something better than others for some reason.

I never meant to trash any spec, they all seemed equally viable to me but I got extremely annoyed by "felnubs" and other examples of dissing demo locks at every corner.

I saw affliction locks play by my side and they performed poorly compared - therefore I dont see reason for them to go all haughty and look down at other specs.
If your knowledge about playing demo comes from one person showing it to you then I wouldnt say you have very high knowledge.
I played affliction for 64 levels and for me it was easy and extremely boring. Besides I was never very fast leveler and I tend to respec every few days just to try if one talent point can suit me better at some other place.

What you wrote about relying on pet is simply not true, I rely on my pet just as my pet relies on me, I can trust my pet more than I can trust the people I play with usually. For me its sort of equal relationship and not a flaw on my side.
Being independent (right word now?) is very nice but sometimes it takes more courage to trust someone than to do it all alone.

Very true... Fresh outa Courage when I play my Lock =P


I never used the term Felnub. For all intents and purposes a sh*tty Warlock can play either and still play it badly.

The extent of my actual Playing a lock is limited to about 3 hours with some random guidance from a friend -- true -- but my experience of grouping with, hanging out with, talking to other Locks is very extensive - as I'm sure yours is too.


On a totally side note, while Affliction can come off boring to play, it is the one Tree that really gives back what you put into it. If you do the work you litterally have endless mana, very unique techs, and some interesting strategies for Grinding.

For a long while I followed the Quest route, up till about 40. I learned, though, that while quests were nice for Lock, they could actually pull out much more Exp and G per hour (depending on what they're fighting.)

In my 40s I finished up Desolace Centaurs keeping about 2 going at any given time and moved into Feralas fighting the Yettis at about 4 at a time (i believe it was Yettis) because they dropped Cloth AND could be skinned (was skinner then for cash.) From there moved to Edges of Tanaris where I again took about 3 or 4 at a time and moved into UnGoro. Here's where It got even more fun. Hunting Dactyls and other Dinos I had chains consisting of 7 or 8 CONTINUOUSLY ENGAGED monsters going at one time.

*Edit* I didn't loot much in UnGoro, was too fun just killing =P *Edit*

I cannot tell you how fast I leveled through Ungoro but I will assure you it was quite insane. The sheer repetativeness of it was terrible, yes, but what I was accomplishing was simply staggering.

From then on It got packed down a bit to 2 or 3 until mid 60s and has remained at about a constant 4 or 5 on equal level monsters for grind purposes.

When I say 3 at a time, I don't mean Do 3, rest, do 3, rest. I mean get 1, get another, get another, get another, first dies, get another, second dies, get another, third dies, ect.

For me, this chaining was insanely FUN! It was a delicate balancing act but once you got the hang of it it was definatly doable and very exciting. Yes it was reliable, but it was also dangerous and I'd constantly be having to pop up with certain techs or use my Trinkets or IHoTs unexpectedly. It didn't matter, if I was fighting someone I'd actually getting mana and hp more efficiently than if I was resting. It was an experience that I don't think any other class could share, and it saddens me to hear you thought Fliction was boring.

I will say though that everyone has a different playstyle and as I have litterally said in every post here, if you dont play what you like there's no reason to be playing at all.

Edited, Sep 29th 2007 12:33am by tzsjynx

Edited, Sep 29th 2007 12:41am by tzsjynx

That is something I very much agree with you.

I do get annoyed with - "if you dont play the way I say because I have so much time played/have been raiding for months/am in "progressing" guild/consider myself daddy warlock (yes Jenova pun intended :p)... then you suck to the point I have right to call you nub, tell you l2p and insult you any way I want".
Such attitude is unacceptable. Period.

I dont have problem asking and taking advices. I never give any advices from the know-it-all point either. I simply like to have my coffee reading something useful and fun and maybe writing an opinion or two from my point of view.
And to be honest, entire WoW I consider only a game I play for relaxation, just the way I want and the way it suits me. I dont care one bit about "general public opinions" and I like to try everything myself before I state something.

I like demo. I might spec something else some day if I am still around and feel like it, but until then I really get offended when some people here start spitting on demo locks just because... to make themselves look better in their own eyes I suppose.
Not saying you are the one of those but the "relying on pet" point is usually what they look down on mostly.
And trust me I know exactly what to rely on someone (or not) means. I am the kind of woman that drove herself 50 km to the hospital in labor pains because I didnt trust my (ex) husband to drive safely at that moment /shrug

Excuuuuse me. I am a *******. Ergo, you are not my daddy.

And just to prove I am a *******. You, sir, are now and forever my *****. :oP

;o)

well i hope you're not sethy 'cos that'd make you dutch and incredably angry... so yeah actually you have 1/2 :P and i'm happy to be your ***** ino but only if you agree to be my inu :P