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#1 Sep 23 2007 at 11:02 PM Rating: Default
level 70 orc hunter on trollbane here. ive been survival all the way, and whilst i love it, i am getting very, very bored. So I've respecced to a 48/0/13 build. Which has been fun today(I respecced about 7 hours ago). All my gear up to this point has been wholly agi focused. Up to 728 unbuffed. As a result I've made sacrifices in ap,stam,int,crit and hit. Obviously, i'm aware that these are all important hunter stats. I realized that i really don't know what stats a mostly-bm hunter should be focusing. I would imagine AP is a big one and crit too. But i am unsure as to what is more important. So what I'm looking for is basically a short rundown of which stats are most important and least important, and any specific gear examples(im doing kara atm and whatever heroics i can get a group for).

Heres my armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Trollbane&n=Dorc

all help is very much appreciated.

-tehmoose
#2 Sep 23 2007 at 11:17 PM Rating: Good
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Aim for ~1700 AP (with hawk), ~20% crit, 7k hp, 6-6.5k mp and the standard hit.
After that just pure AP, other stats will go up too but no need to focus on anything but AP.

Oh, and respec to 41-20-0 simply because its the highest (personal) dps spec a hunter can have.
And although its far from original and most raiding hunters use this spec, its just very good and there isnt much space to change around points because you need it all especially the 20 points in MM for lethal shots, rapid fire and GftT.
#3 Sep 24 2007 at 12:19 AM Rating: Default
i didnt ask for spec opinion im not trading surv talents for marks. i still need to keep traps down for moroes and cant afford to lose the increase trap duration. that and i very much dislike marksmanship. my goal is not to be top dps. if i wanted that i would have stayed surv as my dps was about 580 sustained(not inc pet). marks is not for me. the respec was basically so i can solo more efficiently, raiding is a very secondary focus for my guild. and i dont enjoy my hunter so much. so i use him to farm and when my trap is needed in kara. thats it.

that said. ty for the information i DID ask for.
#4 Sep 24 2007 at 1:27 AM Rating: Good
Even if you dislike MM talents I'd at least include those nice 5% crit. You won't need 48 points in BM, you can easily get the nice talents with 43 points.

Another thing that strikes me as odd is why you expect to have more fun after a respec. BM playstyle in raids is more boring than SV as the shot rotation is much easier and you have less buttons to push.

Ultramoose wrote:
and i dont enjoy my hunter so much. so i use him to farm and when my trap is needed in kara. thats it.

No wonder you won't enjoy your hunter much if you mainly farm with him. I use my druid for farming as it is boring as hell on my hunter. At least I have to do a few things more on my druid when killing stuff.
Why don't you farm with your lock?

Ultramoose wrote:
my goal is not to be top dps.

That is an easy one eh?
Funny enough you chose the top dps spec and your goal is not to be on the top, but then, one has to have a challenge.
#5 Sep 24 2007 at 6:17 AM Rating: Decent
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AP,Crit, and Agility are imortant, but don't neglect stamina. Now that you are running BM your pet is far more important to you. Your pet gets a "buff" from your stamina (not good at the math portion), so get that stamina up there a bit more.
#6 Sep 24 2007 at 8:21 AM Rating: Default
The only thing what would interest me about going BM would finally being able to use the 375 LW ebon epic armor set. Gawd... still can't believe they didnt put AGI on that.
#7 Sep 24 2007 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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If you dont have GFtT crit becomes less important to a hunter, simply because it doesn't scale to the pet.
#8 Sep 24 2007 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
DalaranCaine wrote:
The only thing what would interest me about going BM would finally being able to use the 375 LW ebon epic armor set. Gawd... still can't believe they didnt put AGI on that.

Heh, very very true. Went the other way myself. Spent 10-70 as BM (with a few testruns of other builds as well, at times) and all my Soloing time at 70 as BM. Maxed my professions, and generally enjoyed myself. But decided I wanted to try something else, and since all the Hunters in the guild were BM, perhaps a Surv Hunter would be useful.

And I realized the Ebon Netherscale set I had coveted for so long suddenly became useless. Nooooo! Whyyyy? *Khan Pose*

My Guildleader also managed to misplace the Thich Netherscale Breastplate pattern he'd promised me when I hit 375 DS LW, and thus the other viable option went down the drain.

*sigh*

Gearing a Surv Hunter sucks so hard...
#9 Sep 24 2007 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Been to Kara, Been to Gruuls, and I still cannot find anything better than Ebon Netherscale, or for that mater anything beter than any of my craftables.

However, I did get the BL helm finaly!

I gave up on getting that damn thing, then I went to help a friend kill last boss in Arc, and it dropped, get this-

Mage friend was in Heroic Arc with herself, a Pally healer, and 3 Warriors. They wiped 12 times, spent 56g on repairs, one warrior left, she asked me to come "pew pew".

Ok, sure I thought.

First try in there with me we down him...

BL Helm drops finally! Plus I just earned more rep for the hunter class on my server XD
#10 Sep 24 2007 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Caldone the Shady wrote:
Been to Kara, Been to Gruuls, and I still cannot find anything better than Ebon Netherscale, or for that mater anything beter than any of my craftables.
Chest is equal to T5, the other 2 pieces are already replaceable in kara i think...

edit: Stalkers war bands are pretty equal to the netherscale bands.
Stalker ---- Netherscale
0.53% crit - 0.81% crit
180 hp ----- 250 hp
255 mp ----- 120 mp
65 AP ----- 56 AP (sockets filled with +16 AP gems)
0 Mp5 ------ 5 Mp5

So trading 0.28% crit, 70Hp and 5 Mp5 for 9 AP and 135 mp.
And because the stalkers have 21 agility, they are already better for SV and with the high int on them (giving another 8 AP for MM with Careful Aim) i'd say its pretty close for MM and Netherscales are a tadbit better for BM.

And belt of the prowler is also pretty equal.
Prowler ----- netherscale
210 HP ------ 210 HP
330 MP ------ 210 MP
0.63% crit - 1% crit
1% Hit ------ 0% hit
73 AP ------- 80 AP (sockets filled with +16 AP gems)
6 Mp5 ------- 8 Mp5
so trading 0.37 % crit, 7 AP and 2 Mp5 for 120 MP and 1% hit
Again, because of the agility Prowler is better for SV.
Because of the higher Int the difference in AP for MM hunters with careful aim is lowered to 3 so they are pretty equal and for BM hunters the belt is attractive too because they have no way of getting surefooted.
I'd say that if you arent hitcapped yet, Prowler is the better belt.

then the only breastplate i could find in Kara, the breastplate of carnage:
Carnage ---- Netherscale
330 HP ----- 250 HP
570 MP ----- 345 MP
1.14% crit - 1.48% crit
80 AP ------ 138 (sockets filled with +16AP gems)
8 Mp5 ------ 8 Mp5

so trading 0.24% crit and 58 AP for 80 HP and 225 MP.
Here i'd say the Netherscale is simply a lot better because of the 58 AP difference.

Edited, Sep 25th 2007 9:33am by Aethien
#11 Sep 25 2007 at 6:15 AM Rating: Default
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DalaranCaine wrote:
Gawd... still can't believe they didnt put AGI on that.


"AP,Crit, and Agility are imortant, but don't neglect stamina."

Ummmm, I did mention Agi, I also added the importance of stamina.

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#12 Sep 25 2007 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
Ultramoose wrote:
I know that I came to a place where hunters are discussed and picked apart in 9 of 10 threads but mine should be different. I am not interested in being all that I can be because I am the type of gamer that trades practicality for individuality. I have experiened moroes and therefore still think that traps have some functionality in raiding when in reality my guild is too cheap to bring priests and paladin to deal with these adds more effectively. In short. I don't really want advice, I just want to talk about me.


fixed.
#13 Sep 25 2007 at 6:30 AM Rating: Decent
NorthAI the Hand wrote:
DalaranCaine wrote:
The only thing what would interest me about going BM would finally being able to use the 375 LW ebon epic armor set. Gawd... still can't believe they didnt put AGI on that.

Heh, very very true. Went the other way myself. Spent 10-70 as BM (with a few testruns of other builds as well, at times) and all my Soloing time at 70 as BM. Maxed my professions, and generally enjoyed myself. But decided I wanted to try something else, and since all the Hunters in the guild were BM, perhaps a Surv Hunter would be useful.

And I realized the Ebon Netherscale set I had coveted for so long suddenly became useless. Nooooo! Whyyyy? *Khan Pose*

My Guildleader also managed to misplace the Thich Netherscale Breastplate pattern he'd promised me when I hit 375 DS LW, and thus the other viable option went down the drain.

*sigh*

Gearing a Surv Hunter sucks so hard...


arena shoulders and chest are pretty good for survival and fairly cheap too. might check those out.
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