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Tried AOE farming todayFollow

#1 Sep 19 2007 at 10:41 PM Rating: Good
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I was questing in WPL at 56, going to that house in Dawson's Tears for a quest item and bla bla.

I see this 54 mage, execute the perfect textbook AOE pull, it was a sight to see. I just stopped and watched, it looked like he knew exactly what he was doing, and I wanted to see how he would pull it off without outside help. He cast ice barrier before mounting, gathered at least 12 mobs, wound them up in a nice tight pack, frost novaed, blinked, 2 blizzards, frost novad again, ran, 2 blizzards, arcane explosion, gg.

I had to say something, so I rode by and said 'very nice', because it really was. I thought there was more to it, but he made it look so clean. So I had to give it a shot, and he actually invited me to a group. I basically copied him, but it didn't come so natural for me, AND my mana was pretty low (about 4500 buffed at level 56). I ended up dying a few times, and running OOM more often then not, so I felt like I was holding up his grinding, so I thanked him and continued questing.

Later I was questing near Andor'hal, and I saw those slightly lower level mobs, with a better escape route into the river. I just worked on gathering, seeing what my ice barrier could withstand, trying to pack them up tight like he did, and I tried at least 10 pulls. A few problems I had -- mana -- this was big. I didn't have enough mana for 4 blizzards, 2 blinks, 2 frost novas (rank 1!) and an arcane explosion. That seems like the bare minimum to me, and having extra mana for more AE's and CoC's would help alot too.

I got the frost nova, turn, blink, target thing down pretty good, what I really need to work on is gathering them up into much tighter packs before I frost nova, and doing it fast enough so I don't lose my ice barrier. Anyway it was pretty fun. Just thought I'd share. I picked up some better +int gear today, but I always have the toughest time finding good gear (especially eagle gear). I got 3 pieces for 58 though, and they're outlands greens with massive amounts of intellect compared to the old world stuff I was wearing. So I still plan on questing, but I'll definately side track more often and try to AOE grind for a bit.

Also this mage went from 54-56 in about 5 hours tops lol. Not sure if he was on rested XP, or if he was near the end of 54 when I met him, but from what I saw he just stayed at Dawson's Tear all day. He was very good, almost robotic in his rhythm, so it wouldn't surprise me if 2 levels a day was just normal business for him.

It seems he was pulling 10 mobs at a time, the actual gathering/killing took about 40 seconds. Add another 40 seconds for water, and 40 seconds for looting, so 10 mobs every 2 minutes. So 300 mobs an hour, at 300 xp per kill, he's getting 90k xp/hour by my estimates. And thats off non-rested xp. That just blows away any type of questing I was doing.

Edited, Sep 20th 2007 2:52am by mikelolol

Edited, Sep 20th 2007 2:53am by mikelolol
#2 Sep 19 2007 at 11:08 PM Rating: Good
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unfortunately, Outland does not really lend itself to this sort of thing. Mobs pack more hp, they pack bigger punch. They also sport various annoying abilities. I personally did AOE-grinding whilst leveling my mage. When done right, it just looks awesome and its fun too. Nothing makes my day more than dragging 10+ mobs around, pelting them with ice cubes and seeing them fall in a heap infront of me.
#3 Sep 20 2007 at 4:47 AM Rating: Good
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I did AOE grinding there from 52 - 59 (I think... it was all a mindless blur). The thing about AOE grinding there is that there is an uppper limit on how fast the mobs respawn. I found that I actually got decent enough that I could do the whole farm in 3 pulls, but it is the odd resist that kicks your butt and makes you reset. You get a few of those and it really cuts into the exp. I found I was doing around 40-50K exp per hour there, no where near 90K.

Also, AOE grinding is an art and until you learn how, you will die a lot, but it is fun. ;-)
#4 Sep 20 2007 at 5:46 AM Rating: Good
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What might have held you back during your pulls could have been some of the following, read if you wish to spec for it and improve your outcomes:

1. Spec. If you don't have imp blizzard, permafrost, they're a must. If you have frostbite, that's a no-no :) PM me if you happen to need a spec for aoe at your level.

2. Gear. Are you specialized at + spelldmg gear atm? Blizzard gains very very poor bonuses from it, you're a lot better off with int and stam heavy gear.


Just saw that you did get some int+stam gear so nvm what I said on some of these parts :P
#5 Sep 24 2007 at 1:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Your spell rotation differs a little from what I was doing as well, I always did a coc after the second blizz, and didn't bother blinking after that since I only needed enough space for a third blizzard and a coc. Might help if you tried it like that. I recall having around 5k mana then. I think anyway.
#6 Sep 24 2007 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent
Try using mage armor during pulls instead of ice armor. It seems to have helped me control mana atleast enough to have an extra nova to evoc or drop a mana pot.
#7 Sep 24 2007 at 3:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I personally loved AOE grinding in outland, it was my 2nd char to 70 and ive AOE grinded all the way, some good gear quests in between.
I thought it was better AOE griding in outland then in Azeroth.
The mobs are packed and there beasts are good for grinding, boars, basilisks, vultures or other poultry, undead, those rippers, many choices.

My tip is: dont use blink, you have to wait until the 8 seconds of youre FN are almost over before you throw out youre Blizzard anyway, just walk, saves mana.

I play on a PvP server and then you tend to save blink for when you get jumped by a rogue :P

Mostly my sequence was CoC > FN > walk max distance > Blizzard x2 > FN > then see how much hp they have or an extra blizzard then CoC or directly CoC and IAE to finish.

Edited, Sep 24th 2007 1:29pm by Sjans
#8 Sep 24 2007 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I fully agree with Sjans Scholar.

I've been AoE frost grinding since ~35, and ground out 59-67 in Outlands completely on vultures outside the Temple of Telhamat, HP. There's 3 gathers there (5 if you travel 40secs towards the Stadium, and 30secs towards Cenarion Post) - by the 4th gather, the 1st gather has generally reset. Sure, I was sick of vultures by 67 (one day I'll figure out how many I slew), but it was fast. Post 67, respecced fire and quested the rest out....

OL AoE is fully viable. Sorry to disagree cancerous, but completely true....
#9 Sep 24 2007 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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How much gold did you make from pure AOE grinding to 67?
#10 Sep 24 2007 at 11:07 PM Rating: Decent
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How much gold did you make from pure AOE grinding to 67?


I AOE grinded all the way w/o skinning (herb / enchanting) and i had 1400g when i hit 70. I did do all the lucrative quests for blue items, the worthwhile group quests.
#11 Sep 25 2007 at 12:03 AM Rating: Decent
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i gave it a go once or twice (definately more than 1 to 2 times cos I did try it) but gave up after a while. I continued on with my spec but proceeded to use my one on one tactics but every time I got an add(s) I fell back to my usual tactics.

By questing and killing stuff that got in the way of herb nodes and what nots, I got enough gold to buy an flying mount before I was even 69. I am sure the gear rewards that quests offered allowed for this since I saved a bundle on getting new gear.

Perphaps I just expected the same kind of deal with AoE grinding in Outland as compared to Azeroth.
#12 Sep 25 2007 at 5:33 AM Rating: Good
CoC is definaetly useful for AoE grinding. In WPL, a couple of the Cauldron Fields have melee only undead, they are real easy to AoE.

I found AoE grinding in Outlands good too, mostly beasts, as Sjans said.

As for mana problems, it helps to have an "AoE spec", use a gem, and get +int gear, since +dmg is not that useful, as apart from Blizzard you'll only be using instants.
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#13 Sep 25 2007 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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The whole reason I quit aoe grinding when I could go outland was more the lack of humanoids to grind then the insane quest rewards though. No humanoids means no cloth, no cloth means no cash, or it cuts it down by a lot at least.
#14 Sep 25 2007 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Well I copied my mage to the PTR, just to give it a whirl. Respec'd frost there in my new outlands gear and headed to WPL for some practice. It was actually pretty easy at sorrow hill (I mean VERY easy, but the mobs were grey to me). I was planning on dawsons tear after that, but I said ***** it, I'm on the PTR, who cares if I die.

So I headed to Outlands to grind on buzzards, and surprisingly I only died once. I tried a different spot, because the Temple is just too close to an Alli base and I play on a PVP server. I copied my mage to a PVE test server just to get uninterupted practice and and a free respec, so I'll try that spot after.

My only problem (sort of south-east of honor hold), was I couldn't get enough mobs to stick on me before they would evade and go back. Average pulls were 6, highest was 8. Wish I could keep 10-12 on me, any tips? I was thinking of dismounting a bit earlier to grab the last 1-3 I wanted, then popping a rank 1 AE to keep the first mobs I picked up stuck to me.

By the end of the pulls I was pretty low on mana. It wasn't too hard though, and there was some leeway for screwups in my rotation.

Basically I did gather, wrap them up tight, frost nova, blink, blizzard, blizzard, cone of cold, frost nova, blizzard, blizzard, cone of cold if needed. Pretty simply. Sometimes I was a bit late on positioning, or I'd start a blizzard too close to the mobs.

I'll try that temple area later, but I'd prefer another location since my real mage is on a PVP server, and grinding right outside the front steps of an alliance base seems like a bad idea to me.
#15 Sep 26 2007 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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The ToT area in Hellfire Peninsula is IMO, the shizzle...if I can grind out 7 levels there no sweat, ANYONE (even a trained monkey with sleep deprivation from excessive WoW playing!) can.

I had roughly 1850g when I parked AoE - that's no record either, as I only had one gather prof, and was buying stuff for my alts on occasion as well. I suspect 2500g at lvl67 would be roughly what I'd have if I was more miserly, mikelolol.
#16 Sep 26 2007 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I just started AoE grinding with my 36 mage today and WOOOOOW. Those poor peons at the Go'shek farm go down so easily and provide such sweet XP I'm not sure I'll ever quest again.
#17 Sep 26 2007 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah, Go'Shek farm, 9 at once laid out in a neat semi-circle, it was great.
And then there was the courier and his four buddies every ten minutes or so.
Was a great intro to AOE
#18 Sep 27 2007 at 3:11 AM Rating: Decent
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if you want to keep more mobs on you without them running off, try popping a arcane explosion, then blink and run on and grab a few more, gets much haarder if you try it this way but it can work
#19 Sep 27 2007 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I am starting a mage tonight and I saw this post. Just how much faster can AOE levelling be if done right compared against questing?
#20 Sep 27 2007 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I've been a fire mage since day one. I'm now lvl 44, and starting to think that I've got it all wrong! It seems to me that this AoE frost grinding is the best way to go. I mean 7 levels in one night? That's sounds almost rediculous to me.

What's the point of ever speccing fire before 70 then? I am I insane?...i'm starting to feel like I've been robbed lol.

I can only hope that being full fire hasn't caused me to waste 6 played days of my life, when I could have achieved the same level in 3 days.

-V

#21 Sep 27 2007 at 4:02 PM Rating: Default
ya AOE is fun cant do it over and over with out dieing yet got some good int+ like 3800to4000 mana but i think i need some frost dmg+ to pull it off

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went frost at same lvl never knew how much fun it would be tell know

Edited, Sep 27th 2007 8:05pm by epicforsaken
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