So, once again, I got bored.Follow

And I recreated the spreadsheet I had, incorporating multiple functions into it that I hadn't done before(accounts for the damage tax, properly accounts for how +hit works instead of the bandaid solution I had incorporated into the old one). It still doesn't exactly account for differences between AP/PoM and Molten Fury/Combustion.

It is still a work in progress, but I've completed enough that it's kinda fun to look at, and most importantly, to compare something nifty about it. You see, for months my roommate had been asking me to compare 34/27/0(scorch) with 10/48/3(fireball) with the addition of a specific trinket. So, finally, I can see the effects of the Lightning Capacitor on a build's DPS.

Obviously, these are stand still, no movement required numbers. Mobile fights contain too many variables to properly calculate for me with the kind of free time I have, and I'd need a spreadsheet for every fight.

Not gonna happen. Though I am looking at the fact that the scorch build will have a greater usage in mobile fights as there will be less movement cancelling a spell midcast since the casts are faster.

Anywho, onto the numbers:

34/27/0
DPS(No Capacitor): 790.04
DPS(w/ Capacitor): 873.67


10/48/3
DPS(No Capacitor): 853.59
DPS(w/ Capacitor): 887.63

Interesting to note: While 10/48/3 is the clear winner, even with the Capacitor, it's close. Real close. However, the 34/27/0 has a DPM advantage of 9.12 to 8.21 for the 10/48/3. And, if you weave fireblasts into the rotation at every opportunity, while your DPM goes down, your DPS goes quite a bit higher than what it is, likely surpassing the 10/48/3.




This assumes:
Base crit of 21.63%, Base hit of 6.5%, 875 spell damage, and 465 intellect,




Edited, Sep 19th 2007 2:22am by Poldaran

I would try bumping up the hit rate to something higher as 6.5% is very very low. Try around 13% to make it closer to cap, I think that will easily give 10/48/3 the edge. Also, 10/48/3 (assuming proper rotations of 5 scorch -> 8 fireball -> scorch -> 8 fireball, repeat) should be able to beat it out. That and lightening capacitor (while part of the subject) would not be a very large benefit to a fireball-heavy spec, I think that Trinket of the Illdari + Icon of the Silver Crescent/Xri's Gift would be a better match for the 10/48/3 build rotation.

Just my personal qualms with it. Overall, grat job on the spreadsheet and a rateup for you (as usual).

Since scorch is a 1.5 second cast, would the haste rating make it more like a 1 second cast (e.g. instant)... it would still be beneficial, no?

As I understand it, it just makes you go into the GCD making it pretty weak for that spec. Could be wrong, though.

I could have sworn that spell haste (BoW, Eye proc, Bloodlust/Heroism) reduces GCD as well. It may have been a relatively recent change though, as I can remember getting "not ready" errors after finishing a scorch with Bloodlust up a few months ago, but it didn't happen in Kara last night.

The folks on wowhead seem to think it reduces the GCD (though maybe only on spells).

Wish I could give you more info, but the guy just won't let me take his eye for testing...

This is like comparing Survival to BM with all AP gear - it just does not work. Fire needs more hit than that, but arcane does not, so obviously arcane looks better than if it is compared to a fire mage in comparable but better (for fire) gear.

Besides which, a fire mage can (and does, if given a decent group) weave in fireblasts as well - it is only a greater dps increase to scorch because two scorches are less damage than 1 fireball.

No offence to you but I don't see that this proves much of anything.

spell haste does not reduce GCD. The meta gem which makes your cast complete in 50% time proves this. Scorch is cast in 1.5 sec (which = GCD), if you used Scorch when Focus from the gem procced you will have to wait for GCD to complete.

As for the eye, its effect is not able to give you casting speeds (at least currently, its going to be put back to it original state come patch) that will be shorter than the GCD. So under its effect I can chain cast Scorch no problems =)

hope this answers your question.

I think he's saying that the gear you chose has stats that are geared more towards the scorch build.

thats odd given that I use a /stopcasting macro to chain cast scorch when my eye effect went off I do not get the same effect as when focus fires off. Focus does stop me from chaining but the eye does not. I am quite confused now, I am sure the haste should be still within the GCD rules....

as for latency being an Oceanic player means heaps of latency. I got used to it....

Yep, it's partially because the numbers I plugged in were my soloing gear, partially because all the gems on my gear were put there before Veiled Noble Topazes came out(I'm having trouble finding em on the AH to replace my Potent Nobles and no luck getting the formula as of yet) and partially because I've given up a couple pieces of hit gear for gear that was overall a huge upgrade(belt off of first boss in SV for fire damage belt off of trash in Kara, for example).

While I feel being hit capped should be a huge priority, I'm not going to pass on an upgrade opportunity that huge just to be a little closer to the hit cap.

Some questions about that...\o\

Did you consider the Elemental Precision talent and the +crit % from Critical Mass/Pyromaniac of the 10/48/3?

This and Combustion would realy make the difference with the Capacitor and the DPS in general. Off course that with Arcane Power the Arc/Fire will have a nice dmg bump, but considering a boss fight...using AP is so damn Mana Inefective.

Anyway...pretty nice job Poldaran. =D